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this is the third interview with lou

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elizondo outmatching even the previous

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as his longest interview ever this time

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we're joined with sean cahill lou

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elizondo is a former us army

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counterintelligence special agent mostly

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known as the director of the now defunct

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atip which was a program initiated by

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the defense intelligence agency in order

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to study the uap phenomenon also known

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as ufos chief sean cahill served in the

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united states navy from 1995 to 2015

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with missions spanning from

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anti-terrorism to anti-piracy to

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interrogations and investigations he's a

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co-founder and strategic advisor at

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skyfort.org

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that is

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skyfort.org which is a think tank and

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tech incubator working on uap studies

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click on the timestamp in the

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description if you'd like to skip this

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intro my name is kurt jaimungle i'm a

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torontonian filmmaker with a background

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in mathematical physics interested in

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well as understanding the role

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consciousness has to fundamental reality

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theory which begin in ideas in lead

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group theory and build up to the

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modal homotopy type theories as well and

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even geometric algebra the reason being

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alone media content so hopefully the toe

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supporting the quest for understanding

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the mathematical fundamental principles

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if you enjoy witnessing and engaging

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of consciousness psychology physics and

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while you're in the government and then

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government have you ever come across the

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good doing great everybody out there in

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uh two very quick uh today is a bit of a

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special day for me my my daughter

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uh taylor is getting married she's over

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right now at the defense language

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looking mighty spiffy today so um just

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for you man and sean we break the ice a

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for always your your friendship uh and

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it's profoundly appreciated and then one

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this effort moving forward um there's a

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much for being here with us um it is

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truly an honor and privilege now

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the the a-tip portfolio uh doesn't mean

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stop the testing of the first device the

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use of it twice and the subsequent

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during that period of time so i don't

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see why they would intervene otherwise i

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who's behind the craft so getting to

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yeah i'll go i'll go even even a little

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more pointed than that um look they did

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nothing they didn't refer chernobyl they

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vaporization of 500 000 people uh during

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world war ii uh hiroshima nagasaki they

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didn't interfere during the cuban

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missile crisis they didn't appear

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uh right now in the ukraine so so the

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question is uh is there any evidence to

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substantiate that they're here to stop

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mankind from from uh hurting ourselves

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haven't stopped climate change they

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stopped world hunger so

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the case but i haven't seen any evidence

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um what i have seen is evidence to

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suggest of some sort of isr intelligent

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interfere with it but the question is

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are they interfering it for good well

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this cataclysm is that people like ross

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coldheart refer to

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and if you dude has it been is it

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impending has it been averted

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i think i understand um

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what ross is talking about i've spoken

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to ross at length privately

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there's i know what ross is talking

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about from the side of um

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of the coin where i where i work and

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where i'm interested in this subject i

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have no connection to it whatsoever

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other than as i often say the pop site

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geist ufology now that's not to say that

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i haven't studied some of the same

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things that uh that ross has and other

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people like grant cameron and others

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that there is a cyclical nature to uh to

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life on earth that there are changes

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evident in the fossil record and in um

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sedimentary records

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um and things like that so

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there may be a great deal of conflation

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going on here between what we call the

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entertainment aspect of ufology and the

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need to

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invigorate a subject and keep people

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interested in it

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vice the actual nuts and bolts again

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and the reality of it

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species have gone extinct before there's

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no reason to expect that we won't go

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extinct someday

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so when people talk about cataclysms

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i think it's important that we don't

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conflate them

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with um with popupology i'd like to

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leave that to the geologists

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and to the climatologists and the other

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people who are who are making that their

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specific focus

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um i i you know i i

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i'm not sure precisely what you're

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referring to i mean cataclysms have

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always been

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been part of of of human evolution um

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you know in fact one could argue we've

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always been on the verge of a cataclysm

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at any moment our species uh

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there have been been historical

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anecdotes whether it's nostradamus or

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the mayan calendar or even the bible or

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the bhagavad-gita or anything else um

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you know cataclysm armageddon whatever

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has always been part of of of of

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the human

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storytelling uh and for good reason

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because you do have these these uh

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moments in time where where things

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change so dramatically case in point one

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could probably point to to uh the last

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ice age where where when when the earth

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was thawing out of the ice age that was

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a major moment

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and caused a lot of species you know to

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to to disappear because because

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environments change uh the land bridge

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when that uh was no longer crossable you

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isolated certain uh genetic species from

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from intermingling with each other um

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you know

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it's it's always been part of of of who

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we are and always part of earth because

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earth changes right look at the

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dinosaurs right and and that was a hell

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of a cataclysm right when you had uh

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you had a meteor come down and white

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about 90 of animals on this planet um

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that's just reality that's not you know

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i'm not sure that's necessarily

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something we all need to

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to look at and say oh you know that's

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coming we've we've always been

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immersed in that again you can look

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throughout history and see where mankind

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in almost every religious text there is

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some sort of reference to some sort of

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cataclysmic event or that has had

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occurred or will occur whether it's the

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flooding stories of the earth uh and the

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40 days of of of rain uh or other you

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know

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pick your pick your story right um that

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we have always been telling ourselves

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and the things continue to happen world

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war three just another example right um

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nuclear war um

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it's always it's always right around the

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corner and for good reason because you

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have

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a lot of things operating in nature that

377
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aren't necessarily in favor for a

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species survival and so you have to

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adapt if you want to survive whether

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that's climate or or because of things

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we do to each other

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that's just the reality of life so i'm

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not aware of any particular cataclysm

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uh

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story you're maybe referring to because

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frankly

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you know pick your story du jour there

388
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it's

389
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there's a lot of stories out there

390
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let me be a bit more specific so ross

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was referring to cataclysm as one of the

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reasons for why the aliens i don't know

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if they should be called aliens but

394
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those from the future may come back into

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i i don't know i i really like ross i i

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i think he is a deep thinker um

397
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i really enjoy talking to him actually

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even about these subjects and and

399
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throwing conjecture against the wall

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but i find myself um having a really

401
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hard time saying what are we talking not

402
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to

403
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talking about here because if we're

404
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talking about climatology or if we're

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talking about

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as we said sedimentary record and other

407
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things like that of what has happened

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before

409
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we're throwing in aliens that we can't

410
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prove we're throwing in a historical

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record that's spotty

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i agree that some of these things when

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placed on the table together make a

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certain amount of sense but i can't say

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that the things we're placing on the

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table make sense by themselves

417
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and so there's a great deal of

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conflation going on and i don't want to

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say that anyone's using their

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imagination too much but i i think that

421
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it would just be my opinion about

422
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a lot of fiction and conjecture that

423
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i've taken in over the years

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which doesn't really apply

425
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um in any way shape or form in the work

426
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i'm doing right now so it's

427
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it's imaginative and i think it's

428
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interesting

429
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but um

430
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:18,720
again i can't i couldn't get there as an

431
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investigator

432
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um because i'm i'm making to an extent

433
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making up one of the

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um one of the suspects

435
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and i'm i'm assuming a story of one of

436
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the complainants

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to arrive to say that a crime has

438
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occurred

439
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:36,639
it's the fruits of the poisonous tree so

440
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it's it's

441
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um if we had like a show about

442
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,360
conjecture and we wanted to really dig

443
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into that you know we can get some

444
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:44,720
graham hancock or another expert maybe

445
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from one of the ancient uh ancient

446
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architect channels or something like

447
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that i think we could have a really

448
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,639
interesting conversation but it just uh

449
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it doesn't apply other than to my

450
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opinion

451
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sure i'll go also i'll add you know my

452
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,560
concern is right now let's just say

453
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hypothetically we as a species right now

454
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we have the ability to go back in time

455
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my concern is the whole paradox issue

456
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,600
right you know there's a saying if i go

457
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,440
back and i kill my grandfather well then

458
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i don't exist and so therefore i

459
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:12,079
couldn't go back in time to kill my

460
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grandfather so

461
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:14,959
there's a paradox issue here and if

462
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there's a species that that is for some

463
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reason or us let's say coming back from

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a future and i don't want to say the

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future because we don't know if there is

466
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you know the or perhaps a or multiple um

467
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the bottom line is that if you if you

468
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,040
come back and interfere with the past

469
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you may very well inadvertently affect

470
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your ability to exist in the future and

471
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change things irrevocably and in fact

472
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you may change things for the worse not

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the better so

474
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you know i i think it's certainly

475
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interesting to speculate but you know i

476
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i think that's why

477
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it's it's tough for us to to conceive

478
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about going backwards in time i think we

479
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can slow down through relativity time

480
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can be slowed down

481
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and it can be potentially even stopped

482
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to some degree but

483
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,560
but to go backwards is a little bit

484
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,600
different you know you're asking the

485
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:05,360
river to run backwards and you can slow

486
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,039
it you can dam it up but to have a river

487
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go backwards it's a little more more

488
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tough than that

489
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and so there lies the conundrum um you

490
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:15,199
know if you go the mere fact that you go

491
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back in time you know let's say

492
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hypothetically to your time period which

493
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is what would matter if you went back in

494
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time you wouldn't want to go back to

495
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some other

496
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you know other parallel universe's time

497
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because you're not going to affect your

498
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your own

499
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:30,960
you have to take take it with a grain of

500
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salt and i'm not sure

501
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,919
that um

502
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,000
i'm not sure we would want to do that

503
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because of the risk you you would have

504
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to to and then you have the question

505
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,679
about matter in the universe right so if

506
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,679
i take matter from the future

507
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and the universe has only x amount of

508
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matter x amount of energy and matter can

509
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:51,600
and energy can be created destroyed now

510
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,080
i add more matter how how does that

511
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affect the rest as it perturbed the

512
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existing model of the universe by the

513
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mere factor introducing more matter into

514
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a universe that only has x matter you

515
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,760
know and how does that occur and now

516
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,600
does that initiate another potential big

517
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bang you know these are the questions

518
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,400
you have to ask yourself it's seriously

519
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:13,039
whenever you you're you're you know

520
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:15,840
providing a theory about time travel um

521
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,679
again it's what like sean said it's fun

522
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,280
to speculate but

523
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,799
there's a lot more considerations that

524
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:23,039
one has to consider if if that was

525
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:25,039
really possible and would you really

526
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,240
want to do it

527
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,320
quick editor's quiddity here for those

528
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:29,840
interested in the details a positive

529
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,840
cosmological constant allows for the

530
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:33,840
creation of energy and energy seems to

531
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:36,400
only locally be conserved not globally i

532
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,480
think the uh we can all take the scene

533
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,559
from um

534
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:42,320
one of the avengers movies and goes end

535
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,520
game where they you know they ran

536
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:45,120
through all of the

537
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,840
all the different time travel movies

538
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:49,039
and they were trying to explain you know

539
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,799
they're all they're all wrong

540
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,720
you know they're getting it wrong

541
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,559
and they started talking about real

542
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,640
physics and the possibility of alternate

543
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:58,320
realities and alternate dimensions and

544
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,600
things like that but we have to ask

545
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,600
ourselves again if we don't have any

546
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:03,360
personal perception of that if we can't

547
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,880
detect it

548
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,640
again assigning motive

549
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,880
is very

550
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:10,640
very much just opinion

551
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,440
opinion weaving you know um i don't even

552
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,960
know if i have a time machine or if

553
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:17,280
there's an alien what his motive is what

554
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,320
he wants

555
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:21,440
and agreed with lou again what are even

556
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,600
the mechanics of operating something

557
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,039
like i don't understand you know it's

558
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,120
it's far beyond my ken

559
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,120
and just so you know lou you mentioned

560
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,679
at one point that the present is thick

561
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,360
for lack of a better word cigarette

562
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:35,679
burning as the analogy and for people

563
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,799
who are interested in a more

564
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,880
mathematical treatment of that i spoke

565
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,799
to someone named nicholas jason who gave

566
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,520
a formalism to indicate that the present

567
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,960
time is thick that you can't pick out a

568
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,640
particular point that as soon as you do

569
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:48,160
it's almost like honey so if you're

570
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,520
interested in that i'll put a link in

571
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,600
the description yeah no and we see that

572
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,320
very practically in in the world of of

573
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,400
of quantum physics and even the

574
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,480
the the expression or the description of

575
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,799
an electron you know again we

576
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,400
for for your audience who's probably my

577
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,840
age remembers in high school you learn

578
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,559
that

579
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,720
an electron orbits uh

580
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,400
the nucleus of an atom but in reality

581
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,000
that's not what's occurring we now

582
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,840
realize it's it's called an electron

583
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,120
cloud for a reason because of

584
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:14,960
predictability and the fact that the

585
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:18,559
electron can never be isolated in a

586
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,679
fixed position um you can't do it and in

587
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,600
fact is some scientists now are

588
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,280
speculating that that is because the

589
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,480
electron

590
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,120
uh is is is everywhere and nowhere at

591
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,200
the same time it is it is so small that

592
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:33,360
it may literally be zipping in and out

593
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:35,919
through the very fabric of space-time

594
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:39,280
uh and so it's nonsensical to to to try

595
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,880
to predict the position of an electron

596
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,919
because

597
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,480
there is no position it's everywhere and

598
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,240
nowhere at the same time

599
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,280
around the nucleus of an atom and um you

600
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,600
know that's that's that's some of the

601
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:53,120
the observations we're beginning to see

602
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,320
now and let me add to that that the past

603
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,320
and the future are human semantic

604
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:00,480
constructs

605
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,000
it is always now it always has been now

606
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,240
from the universe's perspective

607
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,240
um the past is not something that's

608
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,240
sitting next door to us

609
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,320
um it's it

610
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,440
so

611
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,280
in another way people think of things

612
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,039
when we think when we say that the stars

613
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,880
are very far away the light took a very

614
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,880
long time to travel to us we're seeing

615
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,520
the past again that's a metaphor we're

616
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,159
not seeing the past we're seeing now and

617
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,159
now as those photons are here hitting

618
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,600
your eyes where at one point they were

619
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,640
not

620
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,159
and so these these are arbitrary

621
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,320
concepts a lot of times so we've applied

622
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,480
a linear understanding to to something

623
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:39,280
that exists on a much deeper much deeper

624
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,240
spec

625
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,919
in a lot of ways

626
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,000
when we talk about going past going

627
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,919
future and i think a lot of what lou's

628
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,840
talking about is that reality is

629
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,520
anchored in now

630
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,840
and in the present and in the the

631
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:54,000
entropic state that we exist in at this

632
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,039
moment

633
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,840
and so there's so many variables to that

634
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,159
and we've jumped we're jumping to motive

635
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,960
you know i i think that's that's

636
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,640
something we just have to keep in mind

637
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:06,320
yeah i'll go even a step further kurt

638
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,520
too with that

639
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,520
kind of piggybacking off of what what

640
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,120
sean said you know the whole notion of

641
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:12,400
here and now

642
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,919
is is almost nonsensical um

643
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,360
it's it's

644
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,120
let me give an example i ask you kurt

645
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,640
where are you where are you right now

646
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:22,480
let's do a quick exercise uh for you and

647
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,159
your audience where are you right now

648
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,840
let's say toronto

649
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,520
canada okay where's toronto where where

650
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,360
is toronto i don't know how to answer

651
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,559
that

652
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:34,159
okay well where where's where's where's

653
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,200
canada

654
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:37,520
where's norway

655
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,320
right

656
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,640
system

657
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,240
where's our milky way

658
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,880
there is no here here okay we we we

659
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,360
invent here because we have to live in

660
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,799
an environment where

661
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,960
we are used to boundaries and borders in

662
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,960
order for us for things to make sense

663
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,720
but in reality the big scale of things

664
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,799
in the scale of the universe

665
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,880
the notion of here and now is really

666
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,799
nonsensical because the path depends on

667
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,120
where i am relative to everything else

668
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,350
go ahead sean sorry it's like trying to

669
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,039
pick out a specific electron from the

670
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,360
electron cloud

671
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,280
it's it's um

672
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,799
yeah it's it's

673
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,720
everything is moving

674
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,480
so dynamically

675
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,600
at all times that a location

676
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,320
is is not a concept it's only a location

677
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,880
it's only a location in a in a certain

678
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,559
regional area

679
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,760
and you have to have some kind of

680
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,240
substrate to measure that against

681
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,000
and we live in a universe that lacks a

682
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,480
substrate there's no snap to grid that

683
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,919
we can say we've you know we've we're

684
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,760
now 14 parsecs

685
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:41,200
northeast to

686
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,159
you know

687
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,720
local globular cluster north what is

688
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,000
what's that mean

689
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,840
you know how would you navigate to that

690
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,520
um that that's something that really

691
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,200
that really digs into my head how would

692
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,679
we navigate to a point in the past you

693
00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:58,480
have to figure out its location in space

694
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,290
time

695
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,200
[Music]

696
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,760
we haven't found space time yet to be a

697
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,240
thing to measure in that way

698
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,320
and in fact you know if you look at in

699
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:11,279
the the theory of of of

700
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:12,159
of

701
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,400
universe continues to get bigger and

702
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,200
faster you know scientists are now now

703
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,080
stating that space itself is spacetime

704
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,640
itself is is being created and that's

705
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,559
how you have this this expansion of the

706
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:30,159
universe occurring faster and faster and

707
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,200
faster

708
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,919
uh and that's you know when you when you

709
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,279
when you look at that case in point let

710
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,720
me let me see if i can if i can bring

711
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,480
this to a little bit easier to

712
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,200
understand um the the universe has been

713
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,760
estimated to be almost not quite 14

714
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,559
billion years old right and yet when you

715
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,799
ask the scientists how big is our

716
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,799
visible universe from end to end they

717
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,919
say it's about

718
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,799
94 billion light years across well how

719
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,400
can that be because that means the

720
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,400
universe has to be expanding bit faster

721
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,640
than the speed of light well

722
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,039
not necessarily what's happening

723
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,520
in in theory is that actual space time

724
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,080
itself is expanding as well

725
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,039
um think of uh probably the best way to

726
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,679
explain it would be imagine

727
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,600
water seeping up from the bottom of the

728
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,919
bathtub and filling up the bathtub um

729
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,440
it's filling up from all sorts of little

730
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,279
pores water's coming out everywhere not

731
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,640
just out of the spigot but everywhere

732
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:24,480
it's starting to fill up the tub

733
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,720
um if that is the case then

734
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,200
again the notion back to where we are in

735
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,159
the universe is always changing in fact

736
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:36,000
when when you say to yourself and it's a

737
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,679
little bit scary to do but you say i'll

738
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,760
be here tomorrow no you won't you will

739
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,240
never be here again and you you can't

740
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,760
it's impossible because

741
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,919
the the the entire universe isn't static

742
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:47,760
it's moving and the only way to know

743
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,000
where you are is only relative to other

744
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,320
people and where they are and by the way

745
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,400
they're just as lost as we are so and i

746
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:55,760
don't mean that just figuratively i mean

747
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,720
that physically you know we are all kind

748
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,640
of kind of scattered through the winds

749
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,400
together and the only way we can kind of

750
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,159
relate to each other oh you're you're

751
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,760
you're kind of close to me so i guess

752
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,360
relative you know you're you're six foot

753
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,960
and i'm five foot

754
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,400
you know nine and

755
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,640
and we gauge things relative to each

756
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,200
other but we really have no idea

757
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,760
where we really are or even when we are

758
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:18,799
and that's

759
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,679
you know something to to ponder perhaps

760
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,840
we invented time so we know when to meet

761
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,840
for lunch tomorrow but in reality we

762
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,950
it's it's there's a lot of

763
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,720
please that's okay i just like to bring

764
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:34,400
things down to a mathematical level for

765
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,279
some of the people who are more

766
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,279
interested so the relational view that

767
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,440
lou outlined you can read more about it

768
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,960
in a relational view of quantum

769
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,679
mechanics by carlo rovelli and then this

770
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,760
arbitrariness of setting one's location

771
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,600
when lou was asking me where's toronto

772
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,799
and it's in canada and then where's

773
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,360
earth and so on that is called general

774
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,799
covariance and that's where the

775
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,240
principle of well that's where general

776
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,159
relativity comes out from so if you want

777
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:58,000
to learn more for those who are

778
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,440
interested in mathematical details

779
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,799
that's what you can look up

780
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,880
okay now i'm curious about the reason

781
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,960
for secrecy behind this whole uap

782
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,559
phenomenon and i'm curious do you

783
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,240
believe that it's profit driven

784
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,400
primarily or that it's so profit driven

785
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,159
by the private sector or profit driven

786
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,400
by the governmental sector or that it's

787
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:16,720
altruistically motivated like tom delong

788
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,750
are we talking what can we can you

789
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,400
identify what exactly are we asking

790
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:28,480
about what is the

791
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,400
there's much that is covered up about

792
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,320
the reason for secrecy you're asking

793
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,320
about what is you're asking my opinion

794
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,520
on the reason behind it

795
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,279
it's my opinion just by looking at the

796
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,200
simple record that we that we can that

797
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,679
we can distill that that made front page

798
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,159
news that did get reported that wasn't

799
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,919
completely redacted i think we see um a

800
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,440
great a great deal of shock and

801
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,559
confusion

802
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,120
and if we're to assume

803
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,600
that some of what we all assume about

804
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,840
crashes and bodies and things like that

805
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:00,840
if that

806
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,159
occurred we're still debating what that

807
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,399
would do to our religions our society

808
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,120
our culture our stock market all of

809
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:10,880
those things we still debate that to

810
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,399
today with a with a pretty split

811
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,240
constituency of who believes that we're

812
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,880
ready and who believes that we're not

813
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,039
and i think we can see a natural

814
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,720
progression of not understanding

815
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,720
something wanting to understand it

816
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,919
before they

817
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,600
made it public

818
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,840
but then human nature probably i can

819
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,520
imagine took over

820
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,919
and so power mongering

821
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,799
um

822
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,000
greed

823
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,799
uh idea mongering you know thought if

824
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,720
that makes sense um wanting to keep you

825
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:42,799
know important ideas to yourself i can

826
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:43,840
see that that would have happened

827
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,279
already but i still think that

828
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:49,120
the government that i the military that

829
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,480
i worked in and the government that i

830
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,960
operated in and around was made of just

831
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:55,039
regular folks like us

832
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,240
and

833
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:58,080
it this is an incredibly daunting

834
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,360
subject

835
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,360
and so i can see where

836
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,520
it would have continually been kicked

837
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,600
down the road now that's just my opinion

838
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,840
just from from looking at what's in the

839
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:09,200
public record

840
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,399
um

841
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,520
what do you mean by that it would have

842
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,240
been continually kicked down the road

843
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,399
no i've never met anyone who wants to

844
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,399
take responsibility for this

845
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,919
and it's one of the things that made lou

846
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,600
very interesting a few years ago when he

847
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,039
appeared was that he was he had the

848
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,120
courage to do it and he wasn't doing it

849
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,720
in the same way everybody else did it

850
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,640
and he wasn't asking for your money

851
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,559
and he you know he wasn't on the same

852
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,480
nonsensical you know the tv shows i

853
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,600
shouldn't say they're nonsensical

854
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,279
television shows but things that are

855
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,679
where you sandwich important information

856
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,840
in between

857
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,039
fiction um it always leaves a

858
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:44,000
plausibility deniability and and lou

859
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,520
doesn't mess with that stuff it's like

860
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,279
look here's my record and now we can see

861
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:49,039
the people that tried to try to silence

862
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,760
him

863
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,240
and so it was very very different

864
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,279
um

865
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,159
they're where are all the other lose

866
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,760
we know they existed where are all the

867
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,679
other program managers we're the foreign

868
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,520
program managers

869
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:04,399
um they're not speaking up there's a lot

870
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,120
of

871
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,640
simple questions as to why whether

872
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,919
they've been threatened whether they're

873
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,760
under under nda

874
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,080
but i talk to a lot of people every day

875
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,000
who want to help in this subject very

876
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,720
high profile people

877
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,039
but but they don't want their names out

878
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,520
there yet attached to it they believe in

879
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,120
it they think it's real

880
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,559
but they're still waiting for that

881
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,559
tipping point to where we stop laughing

882
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,480
at it where it stops ruining careers and

883
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,640
ruining brands or we're changing

884
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,080
people's minds about you as an

885
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,320
individual

886
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,399
it's primarily stigma that's keeping

887
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,520
them from speaking out non-anonymous

888
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,520
i would say that that i would say that

889
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:44,960
primarily stigma and and um

890
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,710
let me try to make an analogy here that

891
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,360
if if i brought a um

892
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:54,960
if i came back to the

893
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:57,679
to the tribe around the campfire

894
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,760
and i brought a uh a power saw

895
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:03,600
what are we gonna use it for

896
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,350
but a lot of the folks in the tribe are

897
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,279
probably going to want to use it to go

898
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,880
take over the other tribe next door

899
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,240
because it's the most powerful weapon

900
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,080
they've ever seen

901
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,760
and right there we may just be talking

902
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,600
about human nature

903
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,360
but i think that there's so much of our

904
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,120
humanity wrapped up in the answers that

905
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,600
we all assume are part of this

906
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,200
that very few people have been willing

907
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,880
to take responsibility in any way shape

908
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:30,000
or form

909
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,039
lou

910
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,480
what do you believe to be the primary

911
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,029
look kurt i'm um for lack of

912
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,360
transparency yeah i'm a little more more

913
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,440
practical and and probably a little bit

914
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,630
less optimistic um

915
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,640
for our species of this particular

916
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,559
question

917
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,519
what if

918
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,720
there was

919
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,480
knowledge kurt

920
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:56,159
that

921
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,519
was

922
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,440
so volatile

923
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,200
so earth-shattering

924
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:03,279
that the mere knowledge of that getting

925
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,080
out

926
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,679
could predicate

927
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,240
an action that could potentially

928
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,240
threaten the entire species

929
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,039
now what do i mean by that um

930
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,840
for just a moment uh take off the the

931
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:17,440
scientific hat

932
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:21,279
take off your humanitarian hat take off

933
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:22,240
your

934
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,840
of national security

935
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,519
um you just we just talked about the

936
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,360
fact that there's no indication that

937
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,440
these things have been here to help us

938
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,960
okay um

939
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,240
that so there's really only three

940
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,080
possibilities they're benign

941
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,799
uh or or if you will benevolent

942
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,360
or two they are malevolent they're here

943
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,960
to hurt us or three they're just here to

944
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,320
observe us and they're capable of doing

945
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,559
both good and bad like us well

946
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,600
if you were to put on your national

947
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,039
security hat for a second let's say

948
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,600
you're a general from the 1950s or 60s

949
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,279
and your job is to protect america and

950
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,960
all things good and great and uh the

951
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,320
height of the cold war and you've got

952
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,399
the you know the soviet bear across

953
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,760
there and

954
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,840
things are pretty tough right um and

955
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,080
nuclear proliferation is a real thing

956
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,679
now um

957
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,120
you have information that there is

958
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,600
something here that is can outperform

959
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:12,960
anything you have

960
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,320
rather ineffective from a national

961
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,240
security perspective and there's a thing

962
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,240
out there um and it doesn't show that

963
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,679
it's being benevolent so it's only one

964
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,360
of two other options either malevolent

965
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,279
or it's like us

966
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,919
and we see this very careful

967
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:32,320
isr uh surveillance of our nuclear

968
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:33,519
equities it's interested in nuclear

969
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,640
equities well

970
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,840
some may look at that as what we call

971
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,679
preparation of the battlefield okay and

972
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,120
and let's just say hypothetically

973
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,440
there's a 10 chance u.s has a 10 chance

974
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,600
that these things are bad or or one day

975
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,960
they're going to come here in force and

976
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,640
they're just they're they're looking at

977
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,760
us right remember you're putting on your

978
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,679
national security hat so forget about

979
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,360
everything else for a moment your job is

980
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,960
to be paranoid

981
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,399
and there's a small remote chance that

982
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,760
these things

983
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,120
are not good

984
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,360
um and maybe there is a plan for these

985
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,000
things at some point to come in force in

986
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,760
50 years from now

987
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,440
and if the mere fact you have this

988
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,640
conversation

989
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,480
uh with the american people what's going

990
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,679
to happen well the american people can

991
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,040
start getting prepared

992
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,480
well you know i can tell you in real

993
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,560
life combat situations when we send in

994
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,480
long-range surveillance nurse teams you

995
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:18,480
know behind enemy lines the moment the

996
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,079
enemy finds out that we know um

997
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,040
that that that they know we're there um

998
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,960
the surprise element of surprise is over

999
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,679
and so ultimately hypothetically imagine

1000
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,839
a scenario where maybe we had 50 years

1001
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,280
to prepare for something but now that

1002
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,760
the cat's out of the bag

1003
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,000
that existential action will happen

1004
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,520
tomorrow and by the way we're not ready

1005
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:40,560
for it we're not prepared for it we

1006
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,520
don't have a countermeasure we don't

1007
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,000
have a capability to counter this and so

1008
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,599
from a very real perspective a national

1009
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,440
security perspective the mere fact that

1010
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,599
you are acknowledging the existence of

1011
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,240
something may predicate an action or an

1012
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,440
act that you're not prepared to have

1013
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,720
right now

1014
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,200
um and so i i encourage you and your

1015
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,359
listeners to just for a moment i'm not

1016
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,800
asking you to be a national security

1017
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,400
person but i'm asking you to suspend

1018
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,240
your personal beliefs right now for just

1019
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,160
a moment and put yourself in somebody

1020
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,760
else's shoes who does feel that way

1021
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,920
right now what do you do

1022
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,640
if the mere fact of talking about this

1023
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,480
could potentially cause a reaction that

1024
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,400
you're not ready for as a country as a

1025
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,760
civilization

1026
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,280
right maybe that's the reason why you

1027
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,160
decided to only brief certain presidents

1028
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,839
who have a background in intelligence

1029
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,760
maybe they were former directors of cia

1030
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,599
but the other presidents who are career

1031
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,720
politicians will be you know they're

1032
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,400
here today gone in four years

1033
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,560
maybe you can't even risk telling them

1034
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,640
and so maybe the reason why this has

1035
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,480
been kept secret so long is actually in

1036
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,839
a weird sense some sort of sense of

1037
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,680
patriotism by people

1038
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,400
uh and and you know maybe maybe that's

1039
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,720
how they justify it um

1040
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,480
and i'll leave that at that as a you

1041
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,839
know just a

1042
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,560
as a counterpoint of forcing people to

1043
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,800
think maybe a little bit

1044
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,960
non-traditionally now do i think if that

1045
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,839
happened to ever be the case that's

1046
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:58,400
that's

1047
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,720
i still think that we have to be honest

1048
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:04,000
with the american people you know it's

1049
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,119
like going to i've said this before it's

1050
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,040
like going to the doctor

1051
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,280
just because i have cancer you know it's

1052
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,200
bad news don't don't keep that from me i

1053
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,880
want to know because maybe there's a

1054
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,640
chance i can do something about it right

1055
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,800
and so but but do i understand that

1056
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,320
mentality sure nobody wants to give

1057
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,400
anybody bad news now am i saying that's

1058
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,280
the case no i'm not it's just you ask me

1059
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,880
one of the reasons why people want to

1060
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,800
keep this secret well that's a really

1061
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,160
damn good reason why people may want to

1062
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,599
keep this secret because the mere fact

1063
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,000
of not keeping it secret could cause a

1064
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,599
reaction that you're not ready for yet

1065
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,720
there's nothing you can do you don't

1066
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,800
have a countermeasure so again from a

1067
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,800
national security perspective you know

1068
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,800
that that makes sense again i don't

1069
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,680
agree with it but you know that

1070
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,920
that's understandable what should i do

1071
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,599
then as someone who

1072
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,440
that's that that's the wrong question to

1073
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,200
ask that's and sean sean can give you

1074
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,040
advice on that [\h__\h] i can't tell you

1075
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,599
what to do yeah that's that's my problem

1076
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,119
this is see when we go down this rabbit

1077
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,720
hole people want want to know what

1078
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,480
should they do about it that's not for

1079
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,640
me to answer that that's for you to

1080
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,119
answer yourself i i can't tell you what

1081
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,040
to do about it i can't tell you what to

1082
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,560
i can give you like look hey look you've

1083
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,160
been diagnosed with cancer you should

1084
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,839
get treatment but how you get that

1085
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,200
treatment and who you get it from and

1086
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,880
how you decide to do it that's on you

1087
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,960
brother that's not me i can't and it

1088
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,640
would be overstepping my balance to even

1089
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,520
begin

1090
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,839
to this is where people go wrong in this

1091
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,720
whole area of ufology and ufos because

1092
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,640
they want well what do i do about it and

1093
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:28,000
people are really quick to tell well

1094
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,119
this is what you should do you should

1095
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,480
subscribe and you should give me money

1096
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,240
and i'll teach you how to do this that's

1097
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,800
horse [\h__\h] that's that's no

1098
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,119
you figure that [\h__\h] out that's you

1099
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,280
don't ask me because i'm not smart

1100
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,800
enough to tell you what's in your best

1101
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,960
interest only you can make that decision

1102
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,480
i can i'm smart to tell you what's in my

1103
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,320
best interest but i can't tell you

1104
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,320
what's in your best interest and i won't

1105
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,920
and that's overstepping my bounds i

1106
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:52,000
don't know if if sean has a

1107
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:53,280
i'm sure sean probably has his own

1108
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,760
perspective but i'll i'll show you now

1109
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,200
i don't think lou is passionate enough

1110
00:38:04,150 --> 00:37:59,920
so sean if you could please

1111
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,160
for me it comes down to the fact that um

1112
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,680
you know while doing this the last

1113
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:07,119
couple years i've been offered a lot of

1114
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,480
opportunity

1115
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,920
but it would have tainted everything

1116
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,440
that i thought was important about this

1117
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,280
and it would have confused people and it

1118
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,720
would have placed me into a bucket of

1119
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,400
saying ah he's just trying to make money

1120
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,760
he's just trying to do this that and the

1121
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,599
other i've given a lot of thought to

1122
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,599
that over the years man and what

1123
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,200
motivates me and the reason that i'm

1124
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,040
here and the reason i'm not saying what

1125
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,599
can i do who didn't come up to me at

1126
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,280
any point in the last four years ago

1127
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,440
this is what i need you to do sean

1128
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,760
that's that hasn't happened we've become

1129
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,359
colleagues and we've become equals

1130
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,680
together working together but i had to

1131
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,079
find my own road for this and for me i

1132
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,760
had i had to really put a lot of thought

1133
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,359
into that because at the time that i met

1134
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,280
lou i was teaching meditation i was i

1135
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,440
was trying to lead a very different life

1136
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,440
and the con a lot of this the aspects

1137
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,079
that bump into that kind of thing in uap

1138
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,760
are still very important

1139
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,800
however

1140
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,880
that wasn't the most effective thing for

1141
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,040
me the most effective thing for me was

1142
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,680
taking my my career as a bastard arms

1143
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,440
and as a chief in the navy and taking

1144
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,200
the story of my involvement in the tic

1145
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,440
tac event in 2004

1146
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,320
and utilizing that moment in time that

1147
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:14,160
we had with unidentified and with a few

1148
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,440
other things

1149
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,440
to reach out and have a conversation

1150
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,000
with people who didn't have a chance to

1151
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,760
see all that information who didn't

1152
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,200
understand that this had occurred and

1153
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,800
that it was real and then they began

1154
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,720
socializing that at a higher and higher

1155
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:27,599
level

1156
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,400
until

1157
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,920
the people that can actually affect

1158
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,160
actual change were reaching out and they

1159
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,000
were interested in in

1160
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,920
how we could do things and as we had

1161
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,160
progressed along that line we created a

1162
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,880
network of concerned individuals

1163
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,440
and that's how i got here now a lot of

1164
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,960
other people out there they have they

1165
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,640
have very specific skill sets i get

1166
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:48,960
contacted by lawyers i get contacted by

1167
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,280
software developers and even even

1168
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,680
manufacturers diecast folks and you know

1169
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,359
they're like how can we help and it's

1170
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,839
like i don't need to cast anything

1171
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,320
and i i can't afford a lawyer

1172
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,640
and you know and it's like so it's like

1173
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,560
i don't

1174
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,640
you know when jfk said ask not what your

1175
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,560
country can do for you

1176
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,720
ask what you can do for your country

1177
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,119
what he was saying was stop

1178
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,800
don't don't keep

1179
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,520
asking for answers you have to find your

1180
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:21,839
answers where do you become part of the

1181
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,640
solution in here and i know that that

1182
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,400
overwhelms a lot of people but it

1183
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,240
doesn't have to be huge

1184
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,680
you know what i mean not everybody's

1185
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,200
luke skywalker

1186
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,440
some folks some folks are doing a great

1187
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,520
deal of help

1188
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,520
lifting lifting people up so they can

1189
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,440
finally press a button or finally grab a

1190
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,560
gold ring and if it's a team

1191
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,400
none of that's ever i i'm kind of just

1192
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,839
pontificating but none of that's not in

1193
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,920
a vacuum man we have to find out what we

1194
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,839
need what we need out of this it's not a

1195
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,920
recruitable subject it's not like we get

1196
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,520
enough buses full of people and we're

1197
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,800
going to drive to the thing and we're

1198
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,400
going to wave a sign

1199
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,640
and get what we need it's not quite like

1200
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,560
that so kurt you want to know what my

1201
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,920
number one advice is and i'm going to

1202
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:04,000
let sean explain this because

1203
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,520
shawn does a better job than i do but

1204
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,760
when people say when they ask me what's

1205
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,520
the first thing i should do and this is

1206
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:11,119
going to sound a little crazy but you

1207
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,400
know what i'm going to let sean explain

1208
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,200
it because i think he definitely gets it

1209
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,040
my one word of advice is

1210
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,880
turn to your children

1211
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,960
turn to your loved ones

1212
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,400
and love them

1213
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,960
invest in your relationship with your

1214
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,440
loved ones and your friends

1215
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,440
start with that and people get mad

1216
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,800
they're like well what the hell does

1217
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,119
that have to do with with topic of uaps

1218
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,440
and anything else this has everything to

1219
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,560
do with it because if if if you don't

1220
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,520
stop

1221
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,040
to do that

1222
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,920
and realize what's really important in

1223
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,880
life

1224
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:45,839
then

1225
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,280
everything else is is is

1226
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:51,040
is irrelevant and i'm going to hit the

1227
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,160
head real quick for a second because

1228
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,839
i've been i've been drinking this and by

1229
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,359
the way i haven't seen any you cats

1230
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,359
drinking and you told me to drink beer

1231
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,400
so

1232
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,480
well

1233
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,640
you took you told me i had to drink beer

1234
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,400
so now i got to go to the bathroom a lot

1235
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,160
so you can't blame me but i'm

1236
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,520
over to

1237
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:09,440
sean because that's my one word of

1238
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,400
advice

1239
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,760
turn around

1240
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,680
and and tell your loved ones that you

1241
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,319
love them remind them that you love them

1242
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,319
and that's that's where you start but

1243
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:20,160
i'll let sean jump in on that because he

1244
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,359
does a much better job explaining it

1245
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,200
than i do

1246
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,680
lou gave me that oh god

1247
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,599
lou just a follow-up on this if you can

1248
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,599
hold your bladder

1249
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,480
yeah

1250
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:32,000
okay well then think about this because

1251
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,040
i'm curious

1252
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,480
what is it that you tell your children

1253
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,000
about the phenomenon you got it i'll

1254
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,670
when i first met lou this was too

1255
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,400
daunting on the subject um it was too

1256
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,000
big of a playing field there were too

1257
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,560
many details and too much going on

1258
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,160
and

1259
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,240
it was kind of freaking me out you know

1260
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,319
because very early on a few years ago i

1261
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:56,079
accepted that this was real all in a

1262
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,440
rush and then started doing more

1263
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,280
research in different areas

1264
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,480
some of this can be pretty heavy

1265
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,560
sometimes and

1266
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,240
i turned to him and i i was i didn't

1267
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,000
know what to do and he said you need to

1268
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,920
check your foundations

1269
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,119
he's you know

1270
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,839
basically what it came down to was

1271
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,000
achieving world peace while coming from

1272
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,640
a busted home where people are living in

1273
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,480
fear or where there's no communication

1274
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,359
and no love isn't worth what isn't

1275
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,720
you're that's not

1276
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,720
that's not the mission the mission here

1277
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,119
is to i call it this kind of gets a

1278
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,280
little woo but i call it my my

1279
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,760
my creations and my covenant

1280
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:33,839
that's that's what i'm beholden to and

1281
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,040
those are my children and my wife

1282
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,280
first of all and then that is my circle

1283
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,200
of family and my circle extends out

1284
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,880
there to my friends and my family and

1285
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,720
things and larger family and things like

1286
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,520
that

1287
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,800
but i am

1288
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,200
i am truly beholden to those people in

1289
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,280
my house to my wife and children

1290
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,599
and i can't ignore them and that means

1291
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,040
that i have to choose to be the right

1292
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,960
person in that house and that means that

1293
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,640
i have to choose to look for my faults

1294
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,720
and to be self-aware and to try to be

1295
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,079
the best person that i can in that

1296
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,160
environment because it is truly where

1297
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,920
everything else stems from

1298
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,599
if you're not

1299
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,599
doing the right thing with the people

1300
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,599
that you love the most that are closest

1301
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,640
to you

1302
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:14,960
why do you feel the need to to mount a

1303
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:17,599
horse and ride off after off on this

1304
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,119
crusade to change the world truly start

1305
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,720
changing the world where you are and

1306
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,640
where you begin and then turn towards

1307
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:26,800
slaying the dragon and it makes slaying

1308
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,000
the dragon a much more logical much more

1309
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,160
easy process because your heart's in a

1310
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:34,960
state where it knows right from wrong

1311
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,079
and it knows where to go next it's not

1312
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,160
bogged down by

1313
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,839
by the worry that frankly that we all

1314
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,839
take to work with us every day you know

1315
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,760
what i mean we all get up in the morning

1316
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,280
wondering about the go to bed angry

1317
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,800
wondering about the argument of the kids

1318
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,520
grades like this how is how is this

1319
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,680
relationship panning out or are we going

1320
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,920
to separate we've all got these things

1321
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,760
going on but if we all decided to take

1322
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,520
the kind of effort that we wanted to

1323
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,599
apply to ufology turned around in the

1324
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,359
short term even and applied it in our

1325
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,680
own lives and our homes

1326
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,680
suddenly these larger battles become

1327
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,880
much easier

1328
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:10,160
thank you sean

1329
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,359
now lou

1330
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,800
do you have an answer to that question

1331
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,760
which is

1332
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,599
what is it that you tell your family

1333
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,040
slash children about the phenomenon

1334
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,000
they find need to find their own answers

1335
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,440
we're we're all trying to figure this

1336
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,160
out together and it's okay

1337
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,640
to to be excited it's okay to be scared

1338
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,910
whatever human emotion you you need to

1339
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,079
ascribe to it um

1340
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,560
you know it's it's okay there's

1341
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,560
i i think

1342
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,800
i think honesty and truth is

1343
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,359
is the best remedy always um that will

1344
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,839
get us through pretty much anything um

1345
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,760
even even when things about even when

1346
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,760
the news is bad even when the news is

1347
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,680
good right um

1348
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,640
and

1349
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,880
i i try not to think for anybody don't

1350
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,200
try to think for my kids or my spouse or

1351
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,440
my friends or you know the only person i

1352
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,200
can think for is me

1353
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,119
and

1354
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:07,119
you know i tell my kids you know don't

1355
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,319
just

1356
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,480
be kind to one another be kind to the

1357
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,720
world as much as you can you know try to

1358
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,720
give back more than you take

1359
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,680
um

1360
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,079
you know because i think whether you're

1361
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,880
talking about ufos or anything else

1362
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,520
that's sound advice if you wanna if you

1363
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:25,280
wanna

1364
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,599
know it depends on on how you lead your

1365
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,359
life as a human being

1366
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,880
which is going to take you down the road

1367
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,520
look there's there's

1368
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,640
there's a lot of people out there

1369
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,800
that want to hijack the narrative

1370
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,640
but it's not just because it's a ufo

1371
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,599
thing it's because that's the kind of

1372
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,440
people they are they will do that with

1373
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,800
anything and any opportunity that

1374
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,359
they're given ufos is just

1375
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,920
one of them but there are people out

1376
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:53,359
there that will try to do that and

1377
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,839
hijack that and um it's uh it's a shame

1378
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,760
but you know i

1379
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,200
i can't change those people i'm not

1380
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,800
going to i'm not going to waste my time

1381
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,200
changing those people you know they have

1382
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,880
to deal they have to deal with that on

1383
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,040
their own terms

1384
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,880
and that's on them look there's bad

1385
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,800
people i face them in washington i face

1386
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,400
them on the battlefield you know i face

1387
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,520
them and

1388
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,440
every day you know when you when you

1389
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,599
when someone is trying to to to mug you

1390
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,280
or carjack you or something like that

1391
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:23,359
there's just bad people out there

1392
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,560
um

1393
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,599
you know

1394
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:27,839
so anyways that's that's my

1395
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,680
that's my two cents maybe three cents

1396
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,599
okay i'm going to get to some audience

1397
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,520
questions and just so you know the set

1398
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,520
of audience questions this time is

1399
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,400
of extreme high quality

1400
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,640
and that's saying plenty given some of

1401
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,400
the quality that's been on this channel

1402
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,240
and much of that's due to

1403
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,839
the culling of the questions and the

1404
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,839
ordering of the questions from that ufo

1405
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,480
podcast which is to be specific andy and

1406
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,400
dan and they graciously helped me out

1407
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,720
with these questions so if you like the

1408
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,480
theories of everything podcast and i'm

1409
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,400
someone who's asinine and sophomore when

1410
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,319
it comes to this topic then you'll gain

1411
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:04,079
a great deal from watching that ufo

1412
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,119
podcast and the link is in the

1413
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,440
description to subscribe to them so this

1414
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,359
question comes from matriac directed to

1415
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,880
both of you if you could start over and

1416
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,960
pursue a different educational path with

1417
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:14,640
the hopes of understanding uaps more

1418
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,549
sean you want to tackle that one

1419
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,670
yeah

1420
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:30,319
um

1421
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,800
it's a tough question there's not one

1422
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,400
for me that fits it

1423
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,000
i'm a generalist

1424
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:39,839
um

1425
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,160
sorry it's an interruption i'll give you

1426
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:46,000
an example earlier

1427
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,119
about a few months ago when i was

1428
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,720
speaking with you lou and you gave me

1429
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,800
the question kurt what if you wanted

1430
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,680
some

1431
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,920
thing to survive for generations and

1432
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,240
generations and millions of years and i

1433
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,240
said well perhaps

1434
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,400
nanotechnology or meta materials and

1435
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,319
launch it into space so that's materials

1436
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,000
engineering and you said well perhaps

1437
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,839
you should think about dna okay so

1438
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,640
that's biology so those would be two

1439
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,160
different fields to go in if one was

1440
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,760
thinking about the preservation of some

1441
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,839
objects for some length of time

1442
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,720
can i jump in on that kurt please

1443
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,040
i would uh

1444
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,119
i would probably start with philosophy

1445
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,720
and why is that

1446
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,559
because philosophy is one of the few

1447
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,559
areas that teaches you how to think and

1448
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,119
not what to think right

1449
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,359
it's in the topic of uaps it's not a

1450
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:33,520
matter of what it's how

1451
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,480
you know

1452
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,400
how do we process a data

1453
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:37,359
how

1454
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,960
we're going where we're from et cetera

1455
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,839
um there's very few academic pursuits

1456
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,760
that teach somebody how to think most

1457
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,119
people and i can tell you this from

1458
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,880
personal experience with my children

1459
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,880
most schools teach kids what to think

1460
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,240
and that's a problem because we've

1461
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,000
forgotten what what what real teaching

1462
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,319
is about you know i can instruct

1463
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,559
somebody on how to do something

1464
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,359
but real teaching real teaching is is

1465
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,880
something different

1466
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,920
um

1467
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,240
you know a lot of the the the

1468
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,559
eastern philosophies understood that you

1469
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,960
know it's it's it's not teaching

1470
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,319
somebody

1471
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:17,760
how to

1472
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,119
think i would probably

1473
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,480
start with that maybe do some reading on

1474
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,640
people who who

1475
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,839
who look at things maybe a little bit

1476
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:31,839
differently right and aren't prescribing

1477
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:34,559
you what to think but more importantly

1478
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,520
again how to think

1479
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,760
i was going to joke philosopher ninja

1480
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,280
but um

1481
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,599
because because frankly i i completely

1482
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,920
agree with lou i don't wanna

1483
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,880
i don't wanna hit a

1484
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,800
buzzword by saying consciousness because

1485
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:52,880
a lot of people that's another conflated

1486
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:55,359
term um

1487
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,119
but philosophy with an eye towards

1488
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,960
protecting the human race i think is

1489
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,040
something that that i that's what i

1490
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,119
would want i would want someone who's

1491
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,200
looking out for all of the people

1492
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,119
who can think deeply and who can who can

1493
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,760
arrive at different solutions because we

1494
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,599
have this is a different paradigm this

1495
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,760
is not in the rule books this is

1496
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,079
if anything has been other in our

1497
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,119
experience it's uap

1498
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,839
and so we our ability to understand that

1499
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,800
is going to

1500
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,800
absolutely begin in our ability to

1501
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,119
understand ourselves first

1502
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,640
so that when we encounter this thing

1503
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,960
that is so strange that it's it's so

1504
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,359
beyond our understanding

1505
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,240
that we have the the

1506
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,240
we have the self-awareness to survive

1507
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,190
you know the the old the old

1508
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,200
story do you do you give a man a fish or

1509
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,280
do you teach a man how to fish right

1510
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,880
feed them for a day or

1511
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,880
or feed them for life

1512
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,960
and i think that's what is important

1513
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,119
here you know people should should not

1514
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,240
ask for for a fish piece of fish

1515
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,880
you know learn learn how to fish and ask

1516
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,720
the questions yourself and and find the

1517
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,240
answers yourself so you're not relying

1518
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,520
on other people to give those answers

1519
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,630
is there another field so let's imagine

1520
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:14,079
that philosophy was underway you're

1521
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:19,589
um

1522
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,160
course on on comic relief

1523
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,920
um look you got you got to keep your

1524
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,000
sanity in this you can't lose yourself

1525
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,079
uh i'll be the first one

1526
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,920
to to admit that you know there's times

1527
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,839
i'll call sean or others that i trust

1528
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:35,280
you know in the middle of the night just

1529
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:36,319
to vent something you know can you

1530
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,200
believe

1531
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:39,040
that you know you do all this and people

1532
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:40,400
are out there just making a [\h__\h]

1533
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,440
about you

1534
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,359
um and you got it you got to take it

1535
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,680
with a grain of salt um and it's hard it

1536
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,880
really is especially when you're trying

1537
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,720
to do something really to the benefit of

1538
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,800
everybody and and people ascribe all to

1539
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,319
your motives and they're out there you

1540
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,760
know

1541
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,440
i mean it's i'm not going to go into

1542
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,559
detail but it's it's it's it's bad and

1543
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,760
and

1544
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,920
you got to be you got to be willing to

1545
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,160
um

1546
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,000
take take that kind of heat for me you

1547
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,839
know i spend a lot of my time cut my

1548
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,240
teeth in in various bad places around

1549
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,240
the world and you know i'll tell you in

1550
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,800
combat i never you know when someone's

1551
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,240
shooting at you or rocketing you or

1552
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,079
bordering you i never took it personally

1553
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,760
i didn't like it right

1554
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,520
but i never took it personally because

1555
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,920
that's warfare

1556
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,200
but this is different when your own

1557
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:27,359
fellow citizens are doing things that

1558
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,640
they do sometimes because of of personal

1559
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,119
bias or whatever you know

1560
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,920
selfish motivations in some cases

1561
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,680
that hurts because these are your fellow

1562
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,359
citizens right this is the reason why

1563
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,680
you went to war in the first place and

1564
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,359
now these people are

1565
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,040
are are

1566
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,040
doing and saying terrible things

1567
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,200
um you've got to learn how to take that

1568
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,880
with a grain of salt and not take it

1569
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,200
personally and it's tough it really is

1570
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,359
curb you know it it is

1571
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,559
you know we're all human beings we all

1572
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,760
have emotions we're all emotional

1573
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,720
creatures

1574
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,119
and i think it's it's my advice would be

1575
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,960
look you know

1576
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,280
go see a comedy you know learn learn

1577
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,079
learn a course in in uh in uh

1578
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,160
you know comic relief because you gotta

1579
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,680
you gotta keep yourself seen otherwise

1580
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:12,720
you will

1581
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,400
far far too early

1582
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,400
sean

1583
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:22,480
um

1584
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:25,119
part of me wants to say game theory

1585
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,720
honestly you know i want to take your

1586
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,280
questions seriously i think philosophy

1587
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,160
game theory um an understanding of the

1588
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,839
martial sciences

1589
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,240
and an ability to think

1590
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,319
with self-awareness to be a self-aware

1591
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,400
human being to be a fully realized human

1592
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,160
being who has done their shadow work for

1593
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,160
lack of a better word you know in a

1594
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,200
jungian sense who's who's climbed

1595
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,440
through their hero's journey uh who

1596
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,359
knows what those things mean because

1597
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,119
they are learned enough

1598
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:55,520
to to try to understand what this life

1599
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,400
is and to try to find out what the

1600
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,480
archetypal similarities between humans

1601
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,960
are that we can use to find commonality

1602
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,240
and validity

1603
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,839
and someone that seeks to truly

1604
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,000
understand what this is because it's

1605
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,920
this is very multi-layered it's not as

1606
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,000
simple as just a volkswagen in a field

1607
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,839
with a dead body

1608
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,480
if it was i think we'd already be there

1609
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,319
okay this next question comes from jesse

1610
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,400
mitchell of american alchemy and the

1611
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,920
link to his youtube channel is in the

1612
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,599
description and it's directed toward you

1613
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,960
lou how is your background in

1614
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,720
parapsychology dovetail with the

1615
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:28,720
phenomenon

1616
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,960
wow so um great question uh from jesse

1617
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,920
i uh

1618
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:35,040
my

1619
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,720
uh in formal education was microbiology

1620
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,440
immunology and parasitology not

1621
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,440
parapsychology but as a lot of people

1622
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,559
know i did

1623
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,280
i did spend some time in my career

1624
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,680
working alongside people like hal put

1625
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,680
off and whatnot and kick green and folks

1626
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,359
that have been

1627
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,119
exposed to that side of the u.s

1628
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,079
government regarding

1629
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,079
paranormal i guess we can call it

1630
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,400
let me let me state this first and

1631
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,000
foremost um

1632
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,839
let's not forget everything in science

1633
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,920
is paranormal until it becomes normal

1634
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,319
okay this this very phone here 100 years

1635
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,160
ago certainly paranormal

1636
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,880
um if i say the word parachute

1637
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,880
people think of a life-saving device

1638
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,319
that deploys and helps you hit the

1639
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,160
ground more with a whomp instead of a

1640
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,960
thump uh if i say the word paramedic you

1641
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,440
think of a first responder someone there

1642
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:28,000
who's giving you an iv and maybe saving

1643
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,280
your life right

1644
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,559
um

1645
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,319
they're all based in the latin word para

1646
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,160
you know beside or above and then

1647
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,520
whatever the word is well you say

1648
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,599
paranormal just means beyond normal

1649
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,520
but the associated stigma with the word

1650
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,799
paranormal

1651
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,880
really really paralyzes any further

1652
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,480
conversation because people all of a

1653
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,680
sudden will kind of look they'll [\h__\h]

1654
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,200
their head maybe they'll smile at you a

1655
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,280
little bit and like what do you mean

1656
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:51,280
paranormal well

1657
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,400
i just mean

1658
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,319
something that hasn't been

1659
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,760
normalized yet

1660
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,640
everything in science my definition

1661
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,480
again is paranormal until it becomes

1662
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,480
normal let's not forget that every law

1663
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,319
and principle we have in science now

1664
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,960
started off as someone's wacky zany idea

1665
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,960
but look at galileo right he almost they

1666
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,559
almost almost killed him for the fact

1667
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:12,319
that he proposed that the earth was not

1668
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,680
the center of the solar system based

1669
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,559
upon

1670
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:16,319
copernicus and and yet there were people

1671
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,520
that even refused to look through his

1672
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,640
telescope

1673
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,240
because it was an insult it was an

1674
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,160
affront to their preconceived notions

1675
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,559
right it was paranormal

1676
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,200
and you know here we are now

1677
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,520
looking at it quite normally and so

1678
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,920
um

1679
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,079
i think i think we have i think we

1680
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,079
forget that mother nature has a vote

1681
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,000
that mother nature is wondrous and

1682
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,960
mother nature always defies labels she

1683
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,200
defies definition most of the time every

1684
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,680
time we try to describe what life is

1685
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,160
and put in a nice neat little box

1686
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,760
she proves us wrong

1687
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,440
she proves that she is paranormal let me

1688
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,359
give an example kurt when i was a kid i

1689
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,480
learned that all life was basically um

1690
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,720
it was it was based upon upon

1691
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,640
photosynthesis right

1692
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,079
uh all life

1693
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,520
and it turns out that's not the case

1694
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,119
there's there's animals in the deep

1695
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,559
parts of the ocean that survive off of

1696
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,160
chemosynthesis

1697
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,240
near black smokers then you learn that

1698
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,640
all life depends on

1699
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,640
has to have dna well

1700
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,480
now along come things like viruses where

1701
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,240
we realize well it has rna it doesn't

1702
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,160
have dna and yet it still replicates and

1703
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,079
does a lot of things that living things

1704
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,480
do so is that life

1705
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,400
then you have extremophiles

1706
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:28,960
that live the you know deepest parts of

1707
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,559
of high pressure antarctic uh

1708
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,040
very cold very high pressure ice miles

1709
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:37,440
beneath the antarctic ice miles beneath

1710
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:38,079
the

1711
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,640
fact we find microbial life hitching

1712
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,559
rides on our rockets into space and

1713
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,040
frankly doing quite well

1714
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,720
so what does that mean what does that

1715
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,040
mean well it means that maybe maybe most

1716
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,119
of the universe is paranormal uh it is

1717
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,319
just beyond our reach and and you know

1718
00:59:01,349 --> 00:59:00,319
our quest is to make the paranormal

1719
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,359
normal

1720
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,640
um how does it prepare you for

1721
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,040
for this topic

1722
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,040
i think it keeps you humble

1723
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,280
um to some degree

1724
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,960
i think it's amazing i'm not scared of

1725
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,480
it i think it's wondrous i think the

1726
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,720
human being is is the most profound

1727
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,200
complex piece of machinery and i think

1728
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,960
there's other aspects to the human being

1729
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,720
that we're we were just now beginning to

1730
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,040
explore i think life itself

1731
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,559
you know let me ask you this kurt you

1732
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,720
have quite a big background in physics

1733
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,079
so um

1734
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,880
i'm not nearly as smart or well-versed

1735
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:34,480
as you in this field but let me ask you

1736
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,520
a question

1737
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,200
what is um

1738
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:39,680
what is energy what is it

1739
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:47,030
me how about let's do an easier one how

1740
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,480
about matter what's what's

1741
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,559
what's matter what what is matter

1742
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,720
technically matter is what is a part of

1743
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,799
a matter field and there's a technical

1744
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,559
definition for matter that's based on

1745
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,839
observations

1746
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,200
this question of what is then you can

1747
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,280
ask well what is the number five and

1748
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,280
then what is anything

1749
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,400
anytime one gives an answer then it's

1750
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,319
like a child asking why behind that

1751
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,200
question and that's valid correct

1752
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,200
well my point being is that that we have

1753
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,640
these principles in science such as

1754
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,319
gravity such as matter such as energy

1755
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,079
we've described we even have mathematics

1756
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,359
to describe how they behave and yet we

1757
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,119
still don't know what it actually is

1758
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,079
what what is it what what is it

1759
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:26,319
yeah here's a question for you lou about

1760
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:27,920
that it's something i've been thinking

1761
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,400
about what answer could someone give

1762
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,319
that would be satisfactory like what

1763
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,160
could an answer be

1764
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,079
that would make someone say okay now i

1765
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,680
understand what it is

1766
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:40,559
well we may be asking the wrong question

1767
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,520
we made it what it is may be nonsensical

1768
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,000
because maybe maybe the question is why

1769
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,319
is it it may not be a what it might be a

1770
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,119
why it might be aware it might be a when

1771
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,839
believe it or not it may not be a what

1772
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,280
let me throw in the

1773
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,440
folks should should be sorry this is

1774
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,880
going to make me sound really old but

1775
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,200
folks should use their dictionary more

1776
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,119
because we have so many words in this

1777
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,599
field specifically that have assumed

1778
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,640
meanings

1779
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,240
due to the way they've been used in the

1780
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,880
past and associated that color people's

1781
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,720
judgment on things for example if i said

1782
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,359
to you uh the occult

1783
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:16,799
that paints something in all of our

1784
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:19,680
heads but at the moment

1785
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,720
my right hand is occult

1786
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,079
now if you don't understand what that

1787
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,440
word means

1788
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,040
you're painting you're painting your

1789
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,280
ignorance with your perception

1790
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,680
you're telling me that that

1791
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,839
we waste so much time with people who go

1792
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,920
down these assumptive rabbit holes based

1793
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,079
on what they think words mean and the

1794
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,480
way that people use them and they assign

1795
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,240
they just keep running with it

1796
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,200
and i want us to back off on that in the

1797
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,040
community in general and start using

1798
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,799
better words like we have to explain the

1799
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,960
word paranormal paranormal doesn't mean

1800
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,280
ghostbusters it means the edges of

1801
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,280
perception

1802
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,599
it that's it's it's that simple now some

1803
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,440
people want to say it means ghosts and

1804
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,200
goblins and werewolves

1805
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,680
and boogums and all this other stuff

1806
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,520
and well maybe that's what we want to

1807
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,520
investigate

1808
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,119
but that's not the

1809
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,359
we can't jump to these continual

1810
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:12,720
conclusions

1811
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:13,839
so

1812
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:21,040
nuts and bolts a lot of times and they

1813
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,160
can makes make far too far

1814
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,640
too great of a leap i think

1815
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,119
okay this next question comes from bill

1816
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:31,280
yates it's a live question it says i

1817
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,000
have fantasia so it means that one lacks

1818
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:35,920
a mind's eye lacks inner sound feeling

1819
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,319
and even hearing how does lou and you

1820
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,559
sean as well think the phenomenon would

1821
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,359
interact with someone such as himself

1822
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,839
such as billiat

1823
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,599
i would say perhaps even more intimately

1824
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,960
we don't know because

1825
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:50,720
people who suffer from that also

1826
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,000
sometimes have other abilities that we

1827
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,400
don't really have because they have a

1828
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,359
heightened sense in other areas

1829
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,880
we know that there are people for

1830
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,440
example who are blind and they can echo

1831
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,760
locate they can actually use sound

1832
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:08,160
to to have in their minds eye and

1833
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,680
understanding of the environment around

1834
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,440
them now that seems kind of crazy for us

1835
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,720
and yet we see it in nature all the time

1836
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,000
whether it's dolphins or bats or

1837
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,240
anything else

1838
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:19,039
you know there are people who who are

1839
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,559
certainly um

1840
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,200
suffer from for example um

1841
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:25,760
autism extreme for some forms of autism

1842
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,720
and yet

1843
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,319
they have photographic memory they can

1844
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:30,240
do incredible extreme mathematical

1845
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,079
computations in their heads they can

1846
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:35,039
their their their piano uh virtuosos

1847
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,720
right and have never never had any

1848
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,920
formal training in it how is that

1849
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,240
possible well it's possible because the

1850
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,599
human brain

1851
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,200
is first of all it's wonderfully

1852
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,520
equipped and it's an incredible organ

1853
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:47,839
but it's it's it's it's still very

1854
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:50,319
little understood about the human brain

1855
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:51,200
and

1856
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,160
um

1857
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,760
you know some sometimes there's an old

1858
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,359
i'll answer your question but maybe a

1859
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,400
little bit more succinctly um there was

1860
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,640
a a young student

1861
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,559
who was trying to learn from the master

1862
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,480
and the master says do you do you now

1863
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,520
see and

1864
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,119
young student says no master i've been

1865
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:09,359
looking for months and months and months

1866
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,960
at the sunset you've been telling me to

1867
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:13,440
look at near the mount over the mountain

1868
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,480
and and i and i i still don't see

1869
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,039
and the master says to the student

1870
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,799
in order to see sometimes you have to

1871
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,559
close your eyes

1872
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,839
and uh

1873
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,880
you know there you go right sometimes

1874
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:28,240
sometimes you can actually see more

1875
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,839
clearly by closing your eyes and you can

1876
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,680
see with your eyes open in other words

1877
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:33,119
we have preconceptions that could be

1878
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,480
removed and then that would give us a

1879
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,480
greater understanding or insight

1880
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,920
yeah i mean sometimes our you know

1881
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,280
sometimes our sense is foolish look at

1882
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:41,119
an optical illusion right an optical

1883
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,640
illusion is just that where our eyes are

1884
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,400
telling us one thing but reality is

1885
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,079
something different right and in this

1886
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,240
case our senses are failing us

1887
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,920
not all senses are necessarily

1888
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,319
beneficial and they can be fooled they

1889
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,880
can be spoofed right human vision is

1890
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,960
just another sensor collection system

1891
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:58,720
like hearing and touching and tasting

1892
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,160
and whatnot

1893
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,000
and and we know they can be spoofed our

1894
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,599
feelings can be spoofed right you can

1895
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,000
betrayed by by someone our site can be

1896
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,680
spooked you have optical illusions our

1897
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:09,839
hearing can be spoofed uh you know we're

1898
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,799
not perfect systems we we we they can be

1899
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,559
flawed and sometimes

1900
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:17,039
filtering out certain inputs certain

1901
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,640
data can actually be beneficial perhaps

1902
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:22,960
sorry john i kept interrupting you

1903
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:25,599
oh no man it's okay um interestingly

1904
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:28,160
enough without an official diagnosis i

1905
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,119
believe i suffer from a fantasia as well

1906
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:33,760
um i don't possess a very uh vibrant

1907
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,480
inner mind's eye

1908
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:39,119
except upon waking from dreams or

1909
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,960
frankly very vivid trance states

1910
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,799
where i've taken myself down through

1911
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,799
meditation to a

1912
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,200
different place

1913
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,480
for me that was

1914
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,400
finding out that the word a fantasia

1915
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,480
existed to me was very important to

1916
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,559
understanding myself and my mind's eye

1917
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,720
and what my personal

1918
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:01,359
inter inner experience is

1919
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:03,920
um that led to researching things like

1920
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,440
interoception

1921
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,599
um understanding the inner workings of

1922
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:09,280
the body and the perception of the inner

1923
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:11,039
workings of your body

1924
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,559
something you can do through meditation

1925
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,799
is to actually start to pinpoint certain

1926
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,400
places of the body and then start to

1927
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,960
understand their processes

1928
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,640
but beyond that i put

1929
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,920
because of

1930
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:23,680
things i've witnessed and experienced

1931
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,000
and i'm very lucky to have witnessed and

1932
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,520
experienced some things in the company

1933
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,960
of others

1934
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,119
especially some of the

1935
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,119
the harder to accept things that maybe

1936
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:35,920
some people would uh consider excuse me

1937
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,079
consider like poltergeist activity or

1938
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,000
things like that i've been lucky enough

1939
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:41,680
to have other witnesses with me to at

1940
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:42,640
least

1941
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:44,559
say that we saw that thing we may not

1942
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,039
know why or what but that led me to

1943
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,960
research periphrania

1944
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:51,039
and peripherania is like having

1945
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,079
schizophrenia without the bad parts

1946
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:56,000
and i did a i did a great deal of

1947
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,760
searching you know down the co-morbidity

1948
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,119
of those things and

1949
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:01,359
i find it very interesting that the

1950
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,799
phenomenon interacts with human

1951
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,319
consciousness in a way that can mirror

1952
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,319
mental illness

1953
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:09,200
it can and it seems that some of some

1954
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,480
if

1955
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:13,599
one perseverates on these ideas without

1956
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:15,760
finding validity or answers

1957
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,440
that it may be one of those triggers for

1958
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,440
mental illness now whether those are

1959
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,680
parts of our fundamental archetype of

1960
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,200
our consciousness or not or whether

1961
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,680
that's directly due to the phenomenon or

1962
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,119
not i can't say

1963
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,799
i think all of us has to take the time

1964
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,319
to go

1965
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:32,640
what's up with me what's my list of

1966
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,319
things going on with me what can i

1967
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:36,480
change what can i understand

1968
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:37,359
and

1969
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,520
effective human being while observing my

1970
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,799
own life

1971
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:46,480
um i don't know if that makes sense i

1972
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:48,480
don't know a lot of people that are

1973
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,799
interested in living their life in real

1974
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,839
time

1975
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,280
if that makes sense

1976
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,720
a lot of folks are looking to jump from

1977
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,960
one dopamine fix to another

1978
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:59,760
fear avoidance risk avoidance and

1979
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,839
pleasure seeking and a lot of people

1980
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,359
would say that that in itself is the

1981
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:05,039
human condition and i don't want to say

1982
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,799
that i'm holier than now or better than

1983
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,559
anybody just because i want to check out

1984
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:11,039
of the societal aspect of a lot of

1985
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,920
things

1986
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,920
and delve deeper into what what a lot of

1987
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:15,359
us call the matrix

1988
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,120
you know casually um

1989
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,880
but i think that that's where many of

1990
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,560
the answers to this are gonna are gonna

1991
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,880
lie for a lot of people

1992
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:27,920
we were talking off air lou and sean

1993
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,560
and myself about how

1994
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,080
how uncomfortable it is at least for

1995
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,159
myself and many others judging by the

1996
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,839
comments it can be to study this

1997
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,839
phenomenon and just consciousness in

1998
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,440
general and how that's something that

1999
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,759
almost no one talks about i have an

2000
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,440
episode with carl firsten who is a

2001
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,279
neuroscientist one of the if not the

2002
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,080
most cited neuroscientist just on this

2003
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,080
on how destabilizing and debilitating

2004
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,920
can be i'm still recovering from well i

2005
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,600
you if you want you can watch that

2006
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,440
episode people who are interested by the

2007
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,799
way i consider it to be the most

2008
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,319
important episode of all the theories of

2009
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,000
everything podcasts because it sets the

2010
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,359
stage and talks about something that you

2011
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,960
may feel extremely uncomfortable with

2012
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,400
and think that you're alone but you're

2013
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:07,920
not and you may think that is hopeless

2014
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,279
but it's not

2015
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,279
jacob lizzo from signals the youtube

2016
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,480
channel the link to that will be in the

2017
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:14,560
description asks to both of you let's

2018
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,120
pretend tomorrow an unidentified craft

2019
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,159
crashes out in the nevada desert and you

2020
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,839
are both tasked with recovering the

2021
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:24,080
craft considering your experience and

2022
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,920
your knowledge what sort of precautions

2023
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,920
would you take what sorts of technology

2024
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:29,679
and human resources would you bring with

2025
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,110
my experience and knowledge in that um

2026
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,279
would come from aircraft investigation

2027
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:38,880
and aircraft recovery

2028
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,359
so i i'd first set up a uh

2029
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:43,440
a curriculum so to speak with my team

2030
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,239
that

2031
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,520
about

2032
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,880
first of all you have to when you arrive

2033
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,400
on the scene of some of the especially

2034
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,480
of a catastrophic failure of any kind of

2035
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,679
vehicle

2036
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,280
you have to understand that as soon as

2037
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,199
you get there you you're going to have

2038
01:10:00,250 --> 01:09:59,920
exposure of chemicals

2039
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:00,260
fuel

2040
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,360
[Music]

2041
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,800
depending upon you know what kind of

2042
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:04,640
craft it might be it could be radiative

2043
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,360
you know we we had portions of our of

2044
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:08,560
our training that really you know what

2045
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:10,000
if a satellite came down or something

2046
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,960
like that

2047
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,199
in the wrong place and this was just

2048
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,719
from this was from my law enforcement

2049
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,120
training because i had traffic accident

2050
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,880
aircraft accident investigator training

2051
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,920
as well

2052
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,800
um

2053
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,040
i would start there then i would delve

2054
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,800
into the the

2055
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,440
established program

2056
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,600
programs of record that what they

2057
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:31,600
studied well they studied

2058
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,480
radiation radiative effects of something

2059
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,640
that appeared to be emitting

2060
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,199
high energy for lack of a better word

2061
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,320
um

2062
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,719
i i would get down to first the first

2063
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:44,400
the most important thing to me would be

2064
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,480
making sure that my team got in and got

2065
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:48,080
out with everything they came in and got

2066
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:49,600
out with that they were safe safety is

2067
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,400
the number one priority and and

2068
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,400
after that it would be

2069
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,679
really just dealing with the

2070
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:58,080
environmental factors

2071
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,600
the people that i would send to do

2072
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:01,760
something like that frankly i would not

2073
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,000
send scientists

2074
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,679
i would send people that were i would

2075
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,679
send people that were able to

2076
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:10,239
immediately respond to environment

2077
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,760
coordinate off and then i would call it

2078
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,199
a scientist so

2079
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,880
um i'm kind of doing that in real time

2080
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,320
i've never been involved with anything

2081
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,239
like that involved you know involving

2082
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,239
uap but i can take what we did with

2083
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,239
aircraft and maintaining public safety

2084
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,000
personal safety of the teams and i could

2085
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,040
extend i can i can extrapolate that out

2086
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,760
to even more stringent safety measures

2087
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,760
and an even more cautious

2088
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,719
approach

2089
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,320
you know because in the end i would

2090
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,880
treat it as a crime scene we treat in as

2091
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,640
a first responder we treat everything

2092
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,159
like a crime scene because it maintains

2093
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,920
the evidentiary value of everything you

2094
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,920
can't just go stomping through something

2095
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:44,880
unless

2096
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:47,920
them

2097
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,840
if that makes sense so we wouldn't trump

2098
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,280
a crime scene unless it was to save

2099
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,560
somebody else so i would look out for

2100
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:55,040
personal safety i would look out for uh

2101
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:56,080
for

2102
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:57,199
um

2103
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,400
you know

2104
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:00,159
ensuring evidentiary value was

2105
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,840
maintained

2106
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,440
that forensic evidence was was

2107
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,600
maintained under the proper conditions

2108
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,360
the chain of custody was maintained

2109
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,280
under the proper conditions and that

2110
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,960
frankly the right people were the ones

2111
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,640
giving reports the initial team should

2112
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,360
be giving data-driven reports

2113
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,960
um

2114
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:17,840
and

2115
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,880
in-depth for forensic investigations

2116
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,440
would come later

2117
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,840
i would um i would do pretty much the

2118
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,920
same thing um you know in essence and

2119
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,120
that's probably because shawn and i come

2120
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,640
from similar backgrounds

2121
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:34,159
but first of all i'd set up a perimeter

2122
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:35,360
to secure it

2123
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,640
then you have to come up with ways to

2124
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,040
transport it safeguard it study it

2125
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,440
analyze it ultimately exploit it

2126
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,880
and of course you're taking precautions

2127
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,560
so like for example hazmat how do you

2128
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:46,080
transport hazardous material right how

2129
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,520
do you protect your people

2130
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,840
from being contaminated chemically or

2131
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:52,080
radiologically right and then of course

2132
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,679
um you want to handle it very much like

2133
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,840
you would perhaps a tsa investigation of

2134
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,280
an airplane crash right you don't know

2135
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,840
what you're coming up to so you've gotta

2136
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,520
you've gotta approach it as everything

2137
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:03,199
is potential evidence

2138
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:04,480
and so i think

2139
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:06,159
uh you know you don't know what you

2140
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,600
don't know there's the big challenge

2141
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,000
right if there's some sort of of danger

2142
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:11,360
that you're unaware of well then you're

2143
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,640
unaware of it there's not a whole lot

2144
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,159
you can do to prepare for something that

2145
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,840
you don't know exists

2146
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:18,159
uh so what you do is you you approach it

2147
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,440
you know in the way that you do know how

2148
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:21,920
to approach things that that are perhaps

2149
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,320
similar again like an airplane crash and

2150
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,640
that's that's how how i would approach

2151
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,640
it

2152
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,719
oh i'll take i'll get right into that

2153
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,600
man

2154
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,600
the first guy that walks into the the

2155
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,679
settlement that only has in that battle

2156
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,120
carrying a sword

2157
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:42,000
every person carrying an atlatl in that

2158
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,600
place wants to exploit that sword

2159
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,120
they want to exploit the knowledge of

2160
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,040
the person holding the sword what is

2161
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,199
that material how did you get it so

2162
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:53,280
sharp how is it so strong where did it

2163
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,679
come from how do i get one and that's

2164
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,840
the job frankly of the united states

2165
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,280
government and the military and other

2166
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,120
apparatuses that's part of what they do

2167
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:03,760
as part of our national defense if a mig

2168
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,480
crashed in alaska which or any other

2169
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,400
place and you know the during the high

2170
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:10,000
the height of the coal

2171
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:11,199
cold war

2172
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,960
the exact same team that we're

2173
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,480
describing would have come in and done

2174
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,760
the same thing they would have they

2175
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,280
would have gotten that evidence gotten

2176
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,880
it to a place said how the hell does

2177
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,560
this mig work what frequencies are they

2178
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:22,320
transmitting on how fast does the engine

2179
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,520
go what's the

2180
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,520
load rate bearing rate of the wings and

2181
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,520
the weapons pylons

2182
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:29,920
that's what exploitation means it's and

2183
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,480
that's why i say semantically in a

2184
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,480
military retrieval sense it means go get

2185
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:35,920
the thing and figure out how it works

2186
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,360
and figure out how we can make it work

2187
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,440
to keep our people safe

2188
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,199
and that's what it means it doesn't mean

2189
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,679
exploit in the negative sense that we

2190
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,120
often use

2191
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,600
with with other conversations you know

2192
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:49,520
what i mean an exploited individual or

2193
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,800
something like that where someone is

2194
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,880
using them because in this sense we're

2195
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,880
talking about material

2196
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,440
okay material can be used

2197
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,239
people should not be used

2198
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:02,239
so material theories things like that

2199
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,920
that's what the exploitation is it's an

2200
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,400
unpacking and understanding

2201
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,159
yeah kurt there was actually just last

2202
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,400
week there was a headline in major news

2203
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,280
outlets about a crashed f-35 that fell

2204
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:15,760
off the deck of a carrier during landing

2205
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,480
and um the chinese and the u.s were in a

2206
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,320
race to recover it now why do you think

2207
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:22,719
the chinese were in a race to recover a

2208
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,080
crash fus f-35 aircraft

2209
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:28,640
well because he wanted to exploit it

2210
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,520
so

2211
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,040
you know that's that's

2212
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,520
that's not uh unusual

2213
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,000
you know countries do this all the time

2214
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,520
i see i see okay euphoric gur asks to

2215
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,520
both of you are you aware of encounters

2216
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,520
hostile or otherwise where different

2217
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:45,440
types of uaps have been observed

2218
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,470
i'll uh i'll jump in first um i've said

2219
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:54,000
this before and let me let me emphasize

2220
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,199
this again

2221
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,280
there is a difference between potential

2222
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,120
threat and hostile intent

2223
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,800
okay um

2224
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,960
you know if uh there are lots of

2225
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:04,960
technology out there that if i misuse it

2226
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:07,040
will hurt me now is it the intent of

2227
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,760
that technology to hurt me no it's just

2228
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,520
a product of me not understanding the

2229
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,840
technology

2230
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,920
the fact that we looked at potential

2231
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,480
biological effects or consequences

2232
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,560
in a tip and are continuing now in this

2233
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,880
new effort uh in the law

2234
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,719
shouldn't be a surprise to anybody um

2235
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,719
should not be confused as hustle intent

2236
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,480
people say oh you're fear-mongering no

2237
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,159
it's not fear mongering you know if i

2238
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,840
put my hand in a car door and i slam the

2239
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,159
car door my hand's gonna hurt okay

2240
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,760
there's a threat i'm gonna break some

2241
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,400
bones in my hands and and do damage is

2242
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,320
it the intent of the car to hurt me no i

2243
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:42,800
just it's it's my own fault i didn't

2244
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,480
understand how the technology worked and

2245
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,679
i got hurt by it right um and so

2246
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,840
you know there is there is information

2247
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,440
to suggest that

2248
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:54,159
people have been injured by by uap

2249
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:58,480
technology was it necessarily on purpose

2250
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,400
we don't have any information to suggest

2251
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:02,159
that necessarily but then if you talk to

2252
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,120
people

2253
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,960
who claim to have personal experiences

2254
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,320
in this you know a lot of them claim to

2255
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,000
be taken against their own will well

2256
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:09,920
that's in my from my perspective that's

2257
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,000
crime that's called kidnapping and then

2258
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,400
some people claim that they've been been

2259
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,480
been touched well that's assault right

2260
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:18,000
potentially battery

2261
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:19,520
um you see where i'm going with this

2262
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,000
right so so

2263
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,920
you know it's um

2264
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:25,920
it's it's it's a it's a hard question to

2265
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,560
answer because you can ask anybody out

2266
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,239
there and somebody will probably give

2267
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,880
you a a different answer

2268
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,320
i believe this person was referring to

2269
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,480
the uaps interacting with other uaps

2270
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:39,199
rather than people

2271
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:42,080
oh i i you know i don't know like like

2272
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,840
fighting each other is that is that yeah

2273
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,159
yes have you are you aware of that like

2274
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,679
different types of them is that what

2275
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:48,880
you're saying yeah i'll reread the

2276
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,239
question are either of you aware of

2277
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,400
encounters hostile or otherwise where

2278
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,159
different types of uaps have been

2279
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,640
observed interacting with each other

2280
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,520
so there is there is you know obviously

2281
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,840
if you look at some of the the the old

2282
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,360
text and there's something called the

2283
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,760
nuremberg incident in europe

2284
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,239
where there was reports of what seemed

2285
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:10,400
to be some sort of dog fight back in the

2286
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,920
1600s apparently um and it was recorded

2287
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,440
in something called the it was in

2288
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,679
nuremberg germany right and they had

2289
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:19,760
paintings of this of different rod

2290
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,840
shapes and disc shapes and

2291
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:24,000
and what cigar-shaped vehicles

2292
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,760
apparently fighting each other like in

2293
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:27,360
what seems to be some sort of dogfight

2294
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:28,480
over time

2295
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,520
um

2296
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,520
you know i i can't say that was the case

2297
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,960
in atip

2298
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:34,880
but there is some historical information

2299
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,800
of course i wasn't there so i can't i

2300
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:38,000
can't tell you

2301
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,920
all i can tell you is that allegedly

2302
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,440
those type of things may have occurred

2303
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,040
in the past but we didn't see any of

2304
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,440
that in in a tip

2305
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:47,440
i was going to say the nuremberg wood

2306
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,800
cutting as well

2307
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,640
and and other than that i don't have a

2308
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,640
really good example you know and i'm

2309
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,920
willing i'm willing to give that one

2310
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:56,000
credence it's an excellent it reads

2311
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:57,440
really well and when you look at the

2312
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,719
wood cutting

2313
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,760
the

2314
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,360
it's very easy to conflate it with

2315
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,760
modern reports it's a very interesting

2316
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,199
story i'd love to know what really

2317
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:07,360
happened i don't know

2318
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,719
but um

2319
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,480
in general i've never i've never

2320
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,640
encountered that in my own work and in

2321
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:14,159
my own life

2322
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,760
i mean there's historical even in

2323
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:17,600
religious texts right where where you

2324
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:21,760
talk about uh the the vamana uh in hindu

2325
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,199
texts that would fight each other um and

2326
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:28,000
even some mayan texts as well of

2327
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:28,880
of

2328
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,760
different crafts engaging each other um

2329
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:33,760
there was a very interesting stone that

2330
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:35,199
i had the privilege i have some pictures

2331
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:36,880
actually very interesting pictures

2332
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:39,360
um that i took in peru in front of the

2333
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,920
the air force intelligence office in in

2334
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:43,679
lima peru

2335
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,800
they actually have a formal ufo program

2336
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,719
that is run by the government and they

2337
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,560
do very well with it actually

2338
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:52,159
it's it's a formal investigation that

2339
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,600
they do of any reported ufo incidents

2340
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,360
and there in front of the

2341
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,960
in front of the air force intelligence

2342
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,800
building are several

2343
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:01,760
stones

2344
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,520
and these are real legitimate inka

2345
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:07,360
stones well i gotta tell you you gotta

2346
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:08,800
you should look at some of these stones

2347
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,679
because

2348
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,920
it's pretty incredible um some of the

2349
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,360
things what the what these stones are

2350
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,040
depicting

2351
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,960
uh you know really gotta get you

2352
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:18,719
scratching your head like like people

2353
01:20:22,630 --> 01:20:20,960
using telescopes which by the way didn't

2354
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,640
exist back then

2355
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,719
and flying vehicles that have fire

2356
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:26,480
beneath them and what appears to be a

2357
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:28,719
tail gunner and the stars and the moon

2358
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,440
and

2359
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:30,960
i mean someone obviously had a pretty

2360
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:34,080
good understanding of uh of of you know

2361
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,920
the earth being around the celestial

2362
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,960
bodies

2363
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:37,840
um

2364
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:40,239
a long time ago to to make these stones

2365
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,600
and it's it's very interesting now is

2366
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:43,280
that that proof positive or evidence of

2367
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,719
anything no you know could just be

2368
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,560
someone's wild imagination

2369
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,320
um you know there's there's lots of that

2370
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:50,320
out there but you know could be

2371
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,679
something else too

2372
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,600
so

2373
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:55,199
okay this question comes from miles

2374
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,199
coloradan if i mispronouncing that i

2375
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,199
apologize it's directed to both of you

2376
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,040
are you aware of attempts to make

2377
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:03,360
contact with uaps and if so what were

2378
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:10,310
i'm not aware of it i'm not aware of any

2379
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,790
programs like that or efforts like that

2380
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:18,320
i have spent a great deal of time

2381
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,679
studying all of the different um

2382
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:24,080
contact groups around the world

2383
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:25,760
to include

2384
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:28,800
various mediums

2385
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:31,679
and and so-called channelers

2386
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,719
that claim to be in contact

2387
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,800
with various

2388
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:38,320
and sundry

2389
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,239
alien civilizations that they have all

2390
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,480
of this deep

2391
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,239
knowledge about

2392
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:49,040
that i can't verify any of it

2393
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:52,480
and when i take the each of these

2394
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:55,679
little slots and ideologies that form

2395
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,080
around these folks and start comparing

2396
01:22:02,709 --> 01:21:59,760
what one has to say against the other

2397
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,719
it's very rare that i can find much in

2398
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:04,080
common

2399
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,280
and so

2400
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,040
i'm not i don't know where to go with a

2401
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:09,280
lot of that information

2402
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:10,800
it's hard for me to collate it's hard

2403
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,750
i would ask you define contact

2404
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,679
what does that mean contact does it mean

2405
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:21,920
sitting down having a beer does it mean

2406
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,719
uh making yourself known does it mean

2407
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,120
conversation what what what does contact

2408
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,760
mean um

2409
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,760
you know i've people are aware that

2410
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,120
there were efforts

2411
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,920
by the us government to to collect

2412
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:37,600
information more information on these

2413
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,560
things

2414
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,760
um

2415
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,199
but what do you mean by kant do you mean

2416
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,880
like a close encounters where we sit

2417
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,639
down and we have coffee together we you

2418
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,000
know we

2419
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:47,840
we talk about things or are we talking

2420
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,239
about contact being just the providing

2421
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,639
of evidence proof that that they're real

2422
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,320
and that we want more to collect more

2423
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:56,480
information you know

2424
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,790
try to collect additional information

2425
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,800
maybe create a scenario or the

2426
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:07,040
environment where perhaps these things

2427
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,400
would show up

2428
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,800
and in so doing we could collect

2429
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:13,120
information now is that contact well

2430
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,480
some could argue yeah that's a form of

2431
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,800
contact you know it's like like like

2432
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:18,400
when people said we communicated well

2433
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,840
that depends what's your definition of

2434
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:22,080
communication when when i'm when i'm

2435
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:23,600
waving to you from across the room i'm

2436
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,719
communicating i mean i'll be

2437
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:26,159
communicating too verbally but i'm

2438
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,920
communicating to you when we scramble on

2439
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,400
f22 to go intercept the russian bear off

2440
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:32,560
the coast of alaska we're not talking to

2441
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:34,080
them but we're communicating make no

2442
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:36,320
mistake we're communicating an intent

2443
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,159
so again when you say contact um

2444
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,639
that's a bit broad i i need that more

2445
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,320
narrowly defined in order to answer that

2446
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,960
question probably properly sure i'm sure

2447
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:48,880
you've heard of a disc that's been sent

2448
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,440
off into space and it has two people i

2449
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,280
don't recall the name of it so sometimes

2450
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,280
it's on the board it's on uh the voyager

2451
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,840
pioneer probes i can't recall which one

2452
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:00,560
right okay so that was earth's attempt

2453
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,679
at trying to communicate with whoever is

2454
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,040
a civilization that may not share our

2455
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:07,440
language has something similar occurred

2456
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,560
between

2457
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,600
humans

2458
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,199
doesn't have to be relegated to the us

2459
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,600
government and the uaps

2460
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:17,199
something that says look i'm trying to

2461
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:18,560
show you the connection between this

2462
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,280
symbol and some intent a symbol how

2463
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,360
about that communicating with symbols

2464
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,000
let me ask you a question kurt why do we

2465
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:28,320
make the assumption that an exterior

2466
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:29,920
force is going to make communication

2467
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,280
with a governmental agency or entity

2468
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:36,000
why not you know and and again why not

2469
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,760
in a fashion why not communicate in a

2470
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:38,960
fashion

2471
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,719
that was

2472
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,159
hard to ignore

2473
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,520
you know what i mean but instead these

2474
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,679
seem to be pardon me for using the word

2475
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,920
the clandestine and piecemeal

2476
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,840
um when it comes to interaction with the

2477
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,199
public

2478
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,520
and if what lou is saying is that it's

2479
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:55,679
possible that we may have

2480
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:56,960
created an environment that was

2481
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,679
conducive to them wanting to appear for

2482
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,520
lack of a better word

2483
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:03,440
um

2484
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:06,960
again it still speaks of of a a missing

2485
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,639
piece here you know um and it is that

2486
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,639
let me let me say this and i'm not i'm

2487
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,880
not indicating that i want to use deadly

2488
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:17,120
force okay but in my training

2489
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,639
when we learned about deadly force we

2490
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,239
learned about the deadly force triangle

2491
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,960
years ago and that included opportunity

2492
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,960
intent and capability

2493
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:26,880
now we know that these these craft have

2494
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,280
a great deal of capability

2495
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,360
and their capability seems to open up a

2496
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,000
great deal of opportunity for them

2497
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,719
but the question is still the intent

2498
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,960
and communication as we said i

2499
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,719
communicate with my dog every day i

2500
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,400
think she and i have very different

2501
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,159
ideas of what we're communicating to

2502
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,320
each other and what it means

2503
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,080
and so communication is a very broad

2504
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,239
word waving at an at a cow is

2505
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,320
communicating for me

2506
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,560
but the cow may not perceive it that way

2507
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,840
i may not even know that it was

2508
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,199
communicated with

2509
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,639
so

2510
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,880
seriously finding a common language

2511
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,880
finding a baseline for this

2512
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,960
is is we have a and i'm not doubting

2513
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:06,159
your questions they're the same

2514
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,920
questions i have and you know and i ask

2515
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:09,280
them and me and my friends talk about

2516
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,719
the same stuff around the fire and i'm

2517
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,920
just being cagey because i'm on a

2518
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:13,120
podcast

2519
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:14,320
but

2520
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,920
the fact is is we just don't know a lot

2521
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:17,120
of this stuff

2522
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,800
you know so

2523
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,960
i i do really try to be careful with

2524
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,560
with stating my opinion on some of this

2525
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,080
stuff because my opinion has changed a

2526
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,080
lot over the years based on the data

2527
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:27,840
based on my own personal experience and

2528
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:28,880
growth

2529
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,080
and and so it's a

2530
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:34,080
i don't know i just i try to be careful

2531
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:35,520
i'm willing to be courageous but i try

2532
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,280
to be careful

2533
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,360
are you aware of psychedelics being used

2534
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:42,000
as a channel of communication

2535
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:43,280
i'll tell you that i know that there's a

2536
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,639
lot of people out there trying to

2537
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,639
utilize that right now and they have

2538
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,320
their own beliefs

2539
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,480
and they have some certain commonality

2540
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:52,080
of experience when we're talking about

2541
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,600
those that are approaching approaching

2542
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:55,600
it from a scientific fashion those that

2543
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,320
are

2544
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:57,840
um connected with

2545
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,840
um pardon me for not remembering his

2546
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:01,840
name the terence mckenna's brother

2547
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,400
um he's doing a great deal yeah dennis

2548
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,400
is doing a lot of great work down south

2549
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,400
i believe in central america

2550
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,320
and setting up an institute and a

2551
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,440
college uh to study these things their

2552
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,840
effects in a pragmatic scientific and

2553
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,480
fashion utilizing control groups and

2554
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:20,639
modern therapy i think that's very

2555
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:23,440
important because it it is the the

2556
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,719
undiscovered country of human

2557
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,120
consciousness is to go down the rabbit

2558
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,880
rabbit hole of

2559
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,840
of uh loss of self

2560
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,120
um

2561
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,840
now does that tie directly into what we

2562
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,400
see in the skies and what we purport to

2563
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,800
and what we hoped might be have crashed

2564
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,560
pardon me for hoping a crash on anyone

2565
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:44,400
but hoping that there might be evidence

2566
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,920
right now we all hope that there's that

2567
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,159
eventually some day we might find that

2568
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:50,000
that smoking gun we all talk about that

2569
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:51,840
gives us clarity

2570
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:53,040
but

2571
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,120
i still don't know if the spectrum we're

2572
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,280
looking at i feel like our needle goes

2573
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,280
all over the place all the time because

2574
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,520
we're using a word like phenomena and i

2575
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:03,679
think that's important i think i think

2576
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,679
the the facile idea that we have taken

2577
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:07,920
the word ufo and replaced it with some

2578
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,280
new no we used a better word

2579
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,880
because most of stuff that i am

2580
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:14,880
encountering regardless of whether it's

2581
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:17,040
unidentified or an object it's certainly

2582
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,880
not exhibiting flight characteristics

2583
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,960
and that just gets under my skin

2584
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,120
that we're constantly saying flight

2585
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,360
flying flying listen that's a that's a

2586
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:27,040
kindergarten attitude to think it's in

2587
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:28,719
the sky it's flying

2588
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,560
it's i'm sorry to say it like that it's

2589
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:32,080
that's not

2590
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:33,920
that we need folks

2591
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:34,800
to

2592
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,760
get out of that muck get get get up get

2593
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,120
up a level

2594
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,120
on some of this stuff it really opens up

2595
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:42,800
new doors of thought it opens up new

2596
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,480
possibilities as to what we're working

2597
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,920
with when you start looking at it

2598
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:47,280
differently and not in the science

2599
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,280
fiction and as you've been told aspect

2600
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,120
i agree we need to be more accurate with

2601
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,880
our terminology right this goes back to

2602
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,719
what sean was saying in the beginning as

2603
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,760
far as our lexicon you know but please

2604
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:01,440
do you know be accurate when you when

2605
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:02,560
you speak

2606
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,480
because it you know what words have

2607
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,639
meaning and a lot of people just kind of

2608
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,960
throw words around and you know they're

2609
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:10,880
not really doing their due diligence

2610
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,760
understanding and it confuses things and

2611
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:15,360
you know we have to be accurate that's

2612
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,199
why science is is

2613
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:19,040
to where it is today because it involves

2614
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,480
accuracy

2615
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,320
math right um

2616
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,080
you want to be accurate when you're when

2617
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,520
you're describing things like this

2618
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:27,600
especially something that we don't know

2619
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,239
be accurate in the unknowns um and i

2620
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,400
think that's you know sean said it

2621
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:34,000
perfectly you know you have

2622
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,560
flight is a fundamental you have four

2623
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,639
fundamental forces you have thrust lift

2624
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:40,080
drag and weight

2625
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,679
and when you understand those you have

2626
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,520
flight you have control surfaces you

2627
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:46,000
have wings and and rudders and ailerons

2628
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:47,360
and elevators

2629
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,639
but we're not seeing any of those

2630
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,719
associated technologies and people say

2631
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,880
well it's a semantics no it's it it is

2632
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:54,400
but it's important it's important

2633
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,600
semantics

2634
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,679
right otherwise just call every animal

2635
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,280
an animal right forget if it's a blue

2636
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,719
whale or a human being or an elephant

2637
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:03,040
it's just an animal well no

2638
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,639
there's differences key differences and

2639
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:06,480
we have to be we have to be mindful of

2640
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,920
that

2641
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,520
yeah i like to say on this podcast

2642
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,600
there's this word that people say with

2643
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:14,080
denigration it's liquidity now quiddity

2644
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,080
means it's a hair splitting distinction

2645
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,639
but it also means a peculiar essence an

2646
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:20,960
odd feature in eccentricity

2647
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:22,960
something that sets it apart and so i'm

2648
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:24,159
a fan of

2649
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:27,280
delineation of taking what it is

2650
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:28,159
yeah

2651
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:29,920
yes so beautiful

2652
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,520
this man some of these questions are so

2653
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,000
great this one comes from chris pass in

2654
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:36,159
the prior toe interview lou asked kurt

2655
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:37,600
about making something that would last a

2656
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,960
million years and kurt said many

2657
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,400
materials harder than diamond blue

2658
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,480
reminded him of natural forces that

2659
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:44,159
constantly reshape the earth destroying

2660
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:46,239
information so lou then mentioned the

2661
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:47,040
moon

2662
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:48,960
and the lack of

2663
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,800
these forces and processes making it a

2664
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,880
candidate to preserve something is it

2665
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:54,719
loose belief that the moon shows

2666
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:56,320
evidence that we are not the first

2667
01:31:02,550 --> 01:30:59,600
intelligent life to visit it

2668
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:02,560
well certainly that's was was part of

2669
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:04,880
nasa's curiosity and same with with

2670
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,120
china now with their little rover

2671
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:09,120
you know we're always looking for for

2672
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:10,639
signs of

2673
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,280
of something beyond us this is why we

2674
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:15,120
are exploring the planets in our solar

2675
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,120
system this is why we are looking for

2676
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,679
techno signatures in our galaxy this is

2677
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,679
why we send things out like the voyager

2678
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,360
and the pioneer and these these space

2679
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:25,199
probes out there

2680
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:26,480
because we want to answer the

2681
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:29,120
fundamental question are we alone

2682
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:31,040
and

2683
01:31:34,470 --> 01:31:32,800
you know certainly it makes sense if you

2684
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,480
don't have the erosive forces like you

2685
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,480
have here and the

2686
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,400
the ever-changing environment whether

2687
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:40,639
it's through tectonic movement or

2688
01:31:44,229 --> 01:31:42,000
through

2689
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:44,239
water wind rain all the things that

2690
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:46,880
grind mountains down to to to deserts

2691
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,840
right those are very powerful forces

2692
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:51,360
you know you you if you wanted to make

2693
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,719
something last forever there's a few

2694
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:54,880
ways to do it but you got to kind of

2695
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,360
think outside the box to do it you can't

2696
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,840
you can't you can't

2697
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,920
don't think about it from

2698
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:03,600
using the if you

2699
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,760
if you can paint with any palette then

2700
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:07,280
you don't have to be stuck with a

2701
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:10,880
palette that's in front of you you know

2702
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:13,360
to paint and ignore the canvas quite

2703
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,639
frankly

2704
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:17,520
so um i i think certainly

2705
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:18,800
you know we we need we look for

2706
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,560
archaeological evidence

2707
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:22,800
here in our own planet for for ancient

2708
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:23,920
you know

2709
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:26,880
human presence um i think we're doing

2710
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:28,480
that now with with nasa that's what

2711
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:30,159
these rovers are for

2712
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,320
and don't be surprised

2713
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:34,400
if at some point in the future we you

2714
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:36,560
know we we substantiate that you know

2715
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:39,600
there there was intelligent life perhaps

2716
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:42,320
on other planets and moons and and

2717
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,880
whatnot and it's may not just be

2718
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:47,040
here we know that mars had an atmosphere

2719
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,000
we know that it had a it had a a

2720
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:52,400
geomagnetic field around it protecting

2721
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,920
its atmosphere at one point we know that

2722
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:55,440
there was water on the atmosphere now

2723
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:57,040
does that mean all life is sustained by

2724
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:59,280
water no it doesn't maybe here on this

2725
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,639
planet but

2726
01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:02,880
we do know that that amino acids have

2727
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,920
been carried in from from meteors

2728
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,400
uh coming into into our atmosphere and

2729
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:10,000
our planet uh amino acids being the

2730
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:12,159
building blocks for for life

2731
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:13,199
so

2732
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:15,120
you know i i think i think we shouldn't

2733
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,520
be surprised if at some point we have

2734
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:19,199
that confirmation that that a lot of

2735
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:21,440
people speculate you know

2736
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:26,310
okay sean do you have anything to add to

2737
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:27,600
that

2738
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,920
colonel corn asks is there anything

2739
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:33,199
about our moon that we should know about

2740
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,159
that we don't know

2741
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:38,000
everything we do

2742
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:39,600
exactly

2743
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:41,199
i'm not going to get my hackles up but

2744
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:42,639
i'm going to say this a lot of these

2745
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:45,120
questions

2746
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:47,040
there's something

2747
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:48,639
there's a lot of people here that want

2748
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,239
that sound like they're trying to prove

2749
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:51,600
a line of thought that they're

2750
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:54,480
interested in and i understand that

2751
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,800
but a question like

2752
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,480
what do we what do we need to know about

2753
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,960
the moon that we don't know my answer is

2754
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:02,800
everything that we don't know next

2755
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:05,120
question exactly exactly everything

2756
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:08,000
everything that we don't know

2757
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:11,120
webstar rises asks do we have a direct

2758
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:13,840
dna lineage with the others

2759
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,000
it's fun to speculate but i i've got

2760
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,159
i've got zero evidence either way uh

2761
01:34:22,149 --> 01:34:19,760
what we do know is that we have a lot in

2762
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:22,159
common with uh not only a chimpanzee but

2763
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,400
a banana you know so

2764
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:26,000
uh what does that tell you right there's

2765
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,480
a lot of commonality in our lineage

2766
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:31,040
it's about all we can say right now

2767
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,840
adam x asks in a recent interview lou

2768
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,520
stated that he just finished a trip to

2769
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:37,360
washington and that quote-unquote crap

2770
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:39,120
is going to hit the fan soon can he

2771
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:40,719
elaborate on this at all what does that

2772
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:45,350
no um

2773
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:46,960
there's a lot happening

2774
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:50,719
um

2775
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:54,080
the conversation has definitely shifted

2776
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:57,679
and more information is becoming

2777
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:58,880
available

2778
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,080
on a almost on a regular basis

2779
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:04,320
um

2780
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,920
i'm not prepared to go into any type of

2781
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,920
specifics right now um it will become

2782
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:08,960
evident

2783
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,639
uh i've if there's one thing that's

2784
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,000
hopefully been clear to people every

2785
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:14,239
time i say the conversation's going to

2786
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:15,120
shift

2787
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:18,159
and and new stuff comes out it it does

2788
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,320
i don't say that because the last thing

2789
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,920
i want to do is over promise and under

2790
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,920
deliver i'd rather under promise and

2791
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:25,679
over deliver

2792
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:26,719
but

2793
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:30,080
um

2794
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,280
and uh

2795
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:33,040
that's about all i can say right now for

2796
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:34,800
that because it would require other

2797
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,800
people to step in and comment that i'm

2798
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:39,040
not i do not i'm not

2799
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,800
in a privileged situation where i can

2800
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:42,960
share their their comments or opinions

2801
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,760
on it um sure um what do what do you

2802
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:47,440
think i don't i got to be careful what i

2803
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,320
say

2804
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:49,840
no i i

2805
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,679
you know

2806
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,280
lou and i go on podcast because we want

2807
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,440
to we want to communicate we want to be

2808
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,679
involved in a conversation

2809
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,679
but especially in this instance we need

2810
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:01,040
people to understand that when we have

2811
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,320
something to say that's when we're going

2812
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,320
to have something to say we're not in

2813
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,639
the in the podcast business and we're

2814
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,560
not we're not professional interviewers

2815
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,320
and and frankly every time we do

2816
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:12,080
podcasts it takes us away from the work

2817
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:14,000
that makes the progress

2818
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:16,480
now that doesn't and a lot of people

2819
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,000
have wanted us you know they say we want

2820
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:19,760
you guys to get more involved we need

2821
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:22,239
answers well we don't have the answers

2822
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,679
that you desire

2823
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,520
we have we have

2824
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:27,199
information that we have accrued we have

2825
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,560
relationships we have accrued we have

2826
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:30,000
things we're trying to change we have a

2827
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:31,679
world we're trying to change but at this

2828
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,560
point

2829
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,639
it's becoming less and less

2830
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,480
valuable for us to spend our time doing

2831
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:37,920
these things when there's so much more

2832
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,320
that we can be doing on in what people

2833
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,159
call behind the scenes outside of

2834
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:45,360
ufology away from from the public eye of

2835
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:46,400
this

2836
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,560
and i just want to say that people have

2837
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:50,560
to ask themselves what they want

2838
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,760
do they want to be entertained or do

2839
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:53,760
they want change

2840
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,719
it it is truly that simple because

2841
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:59,119
we don't have and and this is not a

2842
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,719
this is not me striking out but we don't

2843
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,480
have time to entertain folks we don't

2844
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,280
have time a lot of these questions

2845
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:07,920
i'm not i understand they're interesting

2846
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:10,639
questions they're questions i ask myself

2847
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:13,760
but but for the time we have today

2848
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:15,520
they're not and and for the work that we

2849
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,840
work on they're not valuable they're not

2850
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:19,520
additive at the moment to the work that

2851
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:20,400
we're doing

2852
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,159
they end up muddying the water a great

2853
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,920
deal because what we're dipping into is

2854
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,400
a lot of questions about

2855
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,880
various books and beliefs and ideas and

2856
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,320
ufology

2857
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:32,960
not what's on the record as evidentiary

2858
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,400
value and i i really want to stop i want

2859
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,159
to stop asking or answering questions

2860
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:39,520
about what do you think of so-and-so's

2861
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:42,639
book where he had an idea

2862
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:45,520
i don't think much of it it's his idea

2863
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:47,360
it's and i could say that for 100 other

2864
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:50,000
folks because it's

2865
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,119
it's not the we lou and i can't afford

2866
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:55,360
to sit around the campfire and have a

2867
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,280
just speculative conversation because

2868
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:58,960
frankly people assign meaning to our

2869
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:01,760
opinions that's i'm tired of that

2870
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:04,719
and so i i want to see a place where we

2871
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:07,280
can have a conversation that is additive

2872
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,199
i know people want to know what we think

2873
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:11,360
it's not important what sean cahill

2874
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:12,880
thinks

2875
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:15,119
okay it's not important what my opinions

2876
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:16,639
are because i think my opinions are

2877
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,760
garbage

2878
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:19,679
it's important what your opinions are at

2879
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,960
home i um i try to distance myself from

2880
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:24,320
from from that current as much as

2881
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,440
possible

2882
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,840
um you know there's so much speculation

2883
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,520
in this field and everybody pushes it

2884
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,880
off as fact

2885
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:32,639
um it's one of the reasons why i just

2886
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,840
don't engage

2887
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,960
you know i'm getting to the point i'll

2888
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:36,159
tell you right now

2889
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:39,119
i'm going to start doing a lot less

2890
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,800
you're going to notice a huge i'm going

2891
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,320
to do a few more to finish up my

2892
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:45,040
obligations but i'm not doing these much

2893
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:46,080
longer

2894
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,199
this is it

2895
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:48,719
reason is because

2896
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:50,480
i'm not sure i'm being very helpful at

2897
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:52,880
this point um i'm helpful behind the

2898
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,080
scenes but

2899
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,159
being like this in public all it does is

2900
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,080
serve to divide people when really my

2901
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,840
intent was to unite people bring them

2902
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,880
together

2903
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,719
but the the

2904
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,800
i don't have time to focus

2905
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,119
on the he said she said [\h__\h] i don't

2906
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:08,639
i don't care about it never have i never

2907
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,360
will and you know you you you want more

2908
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:12,960
of the same then go back to the last 70

2909
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,239
years of [\h__\h] because that's what

2910
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,360
people think you are they think you're

2911
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:17,119
full of [\h__\h] because you talk about

2912
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,719
wacky stuff you've got no evidence and

2913
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,080
because he said he wrote a book on

2914
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,239
something who you know

2915
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:23,840
what does that mean means nothing you

2916
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,440
got to show evidence you got you gotta

2917
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,960
you know where the bonafides where are

2918
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,719
the videos where's the reports where's

2919
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,880
the the the discussions to congress and

2920
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,719
the classified briefings

2921
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:34,480
they're nowhere because i haven't seen

2922
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,760
them on the hill when i'm there i

2923
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:37,520
haven't seen them in dc when i'm going

2924
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:39,040
by the pentagon or anywhere else they're

2925
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:41,440
not those meetings so for me to come out

2926
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:43,040
and when i you know historically i've

2927
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,800
always tried to share information and be

2928
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:46,480
as transparent as possible

2929
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:47,679
but i think we're reaching a point now

2930
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,639
where

2931
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,400
i think people have what they need kurt

2932
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,320
i i don't think they need lou elizondo

2933
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:54,400
coming in and feeding them

2934
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:57,360
information anymore um you know and if

2935
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,800
and if they want to go back to the way

2936
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:00,880
you followed you wasn't yeah be my guest

2937
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,159
i'm not stopping you yeah i don't give a

2938
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:04,320
[\h__\h] you know that's on you you know but

2939
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,600
you're not going to stop me from doing

2940
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,679
my pursuits because i'm taking this very

2941
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,360
seriously and i think

2942
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:11,360
you know i was when i first came into

2943
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:13,199
this people told me oh ufology eats its

2944
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:14,639
own i'm like what the hell is ufology i

2945
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:16,000
don't even know what that is i'm not a

2946
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,440
ufologist i never have but i never will

2947
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:19,520
be so stop wrapping me into that i'm not

2948
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:22,880
i am not into a ufology i'm not in fact

2949
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,159
it was up to me i'd blow it up into a

2950
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:26,080
million pieces of i said before and

2951
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,360
hopefully what coalesce would be

2952
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,199
something far more scientific far more

2953
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:31,600
objective i don't know man i i want us

2954
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:34,880
to to build to be additive and people

2955
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,560
keep calling me and going

2956
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,800
can you prove this can you prove that

2957
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,239
can you prove this and it's like we

2958
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,229
we already did

2959
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,560
every week it's the same crap

2960
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:48,080
and so

2961
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:49,920
i want to know why that's the thing that

2962
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,800
ufology ufology itself is so interested

2963
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:54,080
in why do they want to know what's in my

2964
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,679
garbage why do i have to make my fence

2965
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,760
taller and putting cameras in my house

2966
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,360
why am i getting people knocking on my

2967
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:01,760
door thinking i have secrets i don't

2968
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:04,480
have their secrets man

2969
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:05,760
and and that's something i don't think

2970
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,199
people understand

2971
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:09,840
this isn't a movie it's not we we may be

2972
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,840
seen as larger than life by other people

2973
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:14,000
but i'm this size

2974
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,440
you know what i'm you know i get up in

2975
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:17,040
the morning i do all the same things we

2976
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,880
all do i feel like crap

2977
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,960
you know and and i should exercise more

2978
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:22,560
and eat better and i don't i'm a real

2979
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,600
person i'm not a figure

2980
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:27,199
that's that's something the public does

2981
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,639
themselves

2982
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,560
i'm not i'm not even a subject matter

2983
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:32,480
expert i'll go out on a limb and say

2984
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,760
that myself

2985
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,440
because we don't have an established

2986
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,360
curriculum in this we choose our subject

2987
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:39,440
matter experts by by

2988
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,440
by the how they perform

2989
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:43,760
and so far ufology has chosen subject

2990
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,840
matter experts that make them feel good

2991
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,600
to tell them the story that fits their

2992
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:49,679
memory their experience their favorite

2993
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,239
flavor their favorite story and all of

2994
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:54,000
the research that i've done i can't find

2995
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,440
one person out there that i would go

2996
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:57,520
let's get them on board they can help us

2997
01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:00,719
there's so because everybody i talk to

2998
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,840
goes

2999
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,239
it's the zetas right i'm like man no

3000
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:06,000
there's i don't know i don't know what a

3001
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,360
zeta is

3002
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,280
i i got a book at home with

3003
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:10,960
175

3004
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:14,000
different alien species listed out in it

3005
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,360
and it's sponsored by mufon

3006
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,440
and and it's the most ridiculous bunch

3007
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:20,960
of science fiction i've ever seen in my

3008
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,040
life and i'm like why did mufan put

3009
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,040
their name on this those are i know

3010
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:28,080
mufon people as individuals

3011
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,199
caring pragmatic dedicated

3012
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:33,040
investigators some of them are amateurs

3013
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:34,560
some of them are professionals again

3014
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:38,080
like us own money own time own effort

3015
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:40,400
why would they expose themselves

3016
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,239
to zeb's cornucopia of alien jackasses

3017
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,719
i i i don't get it

3018
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:48,400
how do we how do we break off from the

3019
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:50,320
nonsense because i can't do it anymore i

3020
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:53,600
know lou can't do it anymore

3021
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,960
so that's not

3022
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:56,560
i would throw that question back to you

3023
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:59,199
and your and your and your and your your

3024
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,719
audience

3025
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,560
how do we change this

3026
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,800
let me see if i understand this because

3027
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:06,320
i don't want there to be

3028
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:07,040
a

3029
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,600
no we're not even upset

3030
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:17,119
yeah more about that the types of

3031
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,360
questions indicate that the ufo

3032
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:21,520
community at large is either misguided

3033
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:24,080
or misled and their opportunity costs as

3034
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:25,520
well so they could be focusing on

3035
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:26,560
something that you feel like is more

3036
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,760
productive let me if i can reiterate uh

3037
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,400
this is not the frustration by sean and

3038
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,119
i are is definitely not directed towards

3039
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,199
you or anybody in your audience or the

3040
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,880
person asking the question they're

3041
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:41,040
legitimate and they're good questions

3042
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:43,360
what we are frustrated with

3043
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,440
is is the

3044
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:47,840
habitual tendency

3045
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:51,600
to go back and discuss things

3046
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,400
that

3047
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:54,719
are not only not relevant but have been

3048
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,920
implanted as falsehoods to begin with

3049
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,280
by

3050
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:01,760
people in the past and and these these

3051
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:05,119
things continue to resurface well okay

3052
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:06,800
that's fine lou we're we're talking

3053
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,000
about potentially uh you know another

3054
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:12,480
incident from an f-35 but but what about

3055
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:13,760
the reptilians what does it have to do

3056
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,320
with reptilians guys

3057
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:18,239
we're not talking about reptilians man i

3058
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:19,119
mean

3059
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:20,719
stop please

3060
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:21,520
try

3061
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:26,960
may have learned in the past about this

3062
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:28,400
and say well i've been researching this

3063
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:30,159
for 30 years you know what you've been

3064
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,679
researching fiction

3065
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,960
so a lot of this stuff has been

3066
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,199
fictionalized you know you're not an

3067
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,800
expert in reading someone else's book

3068
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:38,560
that doesn't make you an expert i'm

3069
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:39,520
sorry

3070
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:42,239
and so you've you've gotta you've gotta

3071
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,679
learn to approach this a little bit more

3072
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,080
objectively and this is why we are

3073
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,480
loathsome to offer our position and

3074
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:50,480
perspective because at the end of the

3075
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,920
day i don't want to be guilty of the

3076
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:53,199
same thing it doesn't matter what lou

3077
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,400
elizondo thinks it doesn't matter what

3078
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:56,000
sean thinks it matters what you think

3079
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:57,360
here's the data here's the facts you

3080
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,880
figured out for yourself what this means

3081
01:45:01,910 --> 01:45:00,080
to you what to your religion your

3082
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,920
culture your philosophy your psychology

3083
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:04,480
sociology and everything else in between

3084
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:06,400
how how you identify with this

3085
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:08,960
information is up to you it's not my job

3086
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,719
to tell you what to think about my job

3087
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,320
is simply to provide you the information

3088
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:14,159
the evidence and you figure it out for

3089
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,520
yourself and your family and your

3090
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:16,880
friends and however else you want to do

3091
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:20,080
it but don't superimpose that on me

3092
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,159
please don't do that i don't do that on

3093
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,560
you please don't do that to me because

3094
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,800
it's not fair and it's

3095
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:28,719
i think it's a distraction to the bigger

3096
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:31,360
conversation we're having i cannot

3097
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:34,239
every time i look at social media i am

3098
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,840
blown away

3099
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:38,239
at how people behave and treat each

3100
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,199
other and and the self delusion i mean i

3101
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,440
have people that are making up entire

3102
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,960
conversations they've had with me that

3103
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,560
i've never i've never spoken to the

3104
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:48,159
person in my life

3105
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:50,080
and they're going around and it's it's

3106
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:52,480
not healthy it's it's and then those

3107
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:55,199
require numerous tweets and back

3108
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:58,000
pedaling and it's it seems like that's

3109
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,480
the that's the desire

3110
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,239
of certain folks is to make sure just

3111
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,400
like a lot of folks would observe in our

3112
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,239
own society that if you create enough

3113
01:46:09,550 --> 01:46:08,000
chaos it creates a system that you can

3114
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,560
exploit and that will be

3115
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:11,280
self-perpetuating

3116
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:13,280
and at this point and curtain i'm not

3117
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:14,639
i'm not accusing you of this i'm not

3118
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:16,159
accusing your audience of it i'm just

3119
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,440
i'm just taking a chance at this point

3120
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,960
just hit the bathroom real quick by the

3121
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,800
way go ahead i'm not checking out but i

3122
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,880
got i gotta use the bathroom this is

3123
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,480
this has been really tough for us

3124
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,400
because

3125
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,560
it's it's a tough decision to decide

3126
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:31,280
whether or not to participate

3127
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,440
at the level that folks want because we

3128
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:35,040
want we want to keep talking to

3129
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:38,719
everybody you know what i mean but

3130
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:40,080
i'm not getting any work done when i do

3131
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,390
so i'm not attacking you guys your

3132
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,239
audience man no we can i don't feel

3133
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:48,400
attacked i just i i have a feeling some

3134
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:49,840
people would think you were attacking so

3135
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:51,679
i want to clear the air

3136
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:53,199
a lot of people are triggered very

3137
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,960
easily a lot of people get very offended

3138
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:56,400
when they don't hear what they want i'll

3139
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:58,080
be i'll come out and say that people in

3140
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:00,080
our community our larger community have

3141
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:02,639
some pretty skewed expectations

3142
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,920
they have a very

3143
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:05,280
they have an immense lack of those who

3144
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:06,639
didn't serve in the military have no

3145
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:08,239
clue what it's like those who haven't

3146
01:47:11,109 --> 01:47:09,520
worked in government service have no

3147
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:11,119
clue what it's like

3148
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,040
i had somebody recently asked me do you

3149
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,600
have any any pay stubs that say you did

3150
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:17,520
the following i'm like man my pay stubs

3151
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:20,000
say usn for the last 20 years i was in

3152
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:21,760
the united states navy they never said

3153
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:24,560
chief petty officer or interrogator or

3154
01:47:30,550 --> 01:47:28,159
or or you know police officer and we

3155
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,560
spend a lot of time answering dumb

3156
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:32,480
questions like that people don't even

3157
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,920
know what they're talking about i'm

3158
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,600
going to put it just like that i'm not

3159
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:37,040
talking about your audience i'm just

3160
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,400
taking a chance to say why we're

3161
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:40,400
frustrated with some stuff because i

3162
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,440
would love

3163
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:43,040
i mean we talked about having a couple

3164
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:44,719
of beers and having a having a groovy

3165
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:47,199
you know kind of esoteric conversation

3166
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:48,719
but i gotta say that the way that some

3167
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:50,800
of these have been formed is

3168
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:52,080
i don't believe in gotcha questions

3169
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:53,440
there's there aren't got you questions

3170
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:54,639
there's gotcha people there's people

3171
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:56,159
that get got

3172
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,600
and don't take the time to answer a

3173
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,280
question utilizing their acumen or

3174
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:01,199
there's or there's people that you know

3175
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,880
that take their time through it but are

3176
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,400
they useful

3177
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,480
and we're just encountering so much

3178
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:08,639
non-additive

3179
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:10,400
um interaction at this point because

3180
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:12,080
we're saturated saturated with

3181
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,920
interviewers saturated with you know

3182
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:15,600
with questions and stuff

3183
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:16,719
and so

3184
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,800
for me that i just want to get across to

3185
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,880
people that we're we're willing to work

3186
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:23,199
as hard as possible

3187
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:24,159
but

3188
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,280
it's

3189
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,600
at some point we have to decide whether

3190
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:29,760
our work the work that we're doing

3191
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:30,840
is is

3192
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,440
um is additive that's the word that i

3193
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,080
use most often so

3194
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,639
and kurt i'll tell you too if i if i can

3195
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:41,119
you know be very mindful um

3196
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:42,800
that

3197
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:45,440
even even yourself right you have we're

3198
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:47,119
doing this show right now we're talking

3199
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,119
to you and your audience and

3200
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:51,360
there are people that are trying to

3201
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,440
sabotage or or hijack this conversation

3202
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:57,360
use this conversation we're having with

3203
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:58,320
you

3204
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:59,199
to

3205
01:49:01,750 --> 01:49:00,800
push their own agenda and their own

3206
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:01,760
narrative

3207
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,080
right now you're seeing it live on your

3208
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,639
on your on your your chat people that

3209
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,040
have ulterior motives and agendas and

3210
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:11,119
are looking to construe and misconstrue

3211
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,280
information and

3212
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:15,040
you know the very thing that we are

3213
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:16,639
against you're you're witnessing it

3214
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:19,440
right now it's happening right now

3215
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,639
as you and i are having this

3216
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,920
conversation

3217
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,520
and and it's happening because people

3218
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:25,360
are taking advantage of

3219
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:26,320
of this

3220
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:29,840
to to to push a narrative or an agenda

3221
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,560
and i think that's disappointing um i

3222
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,119
think it's exactly what what what sean

3223
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:37,119
and i and others are opposed to who take

3224
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,639
this topic very seriously we're not

3225
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,040
trying to create a jerry springer

3226
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:43,040
environment and sadly as it is you're

3227
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,480
witnessing the very thing that we're

3228
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,719
against happening right now right now on

3229
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:48,800
your chat room as we speak

3230
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:49,760
um

3231
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,080
and that's you know that's this goes

3232
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,920
exactly to the point i'm trying to make

3233
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,400
you know people aren't interested in

3234
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,159
in a discussion they're interested in

3235
01:50:01,350 --> 01:50:00,320
drama they're interested in the soap

3236
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:01,360
opera

3237
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:02,400
and

3238
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:04,159
i don't want to be involved in that you

3239
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,679
know you want to do that be that but

3240
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:07,280
i've got more important [\h__\h] to do than

3241
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:08,800
than to be part of that

3242
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:10,719
that he said she said crap

3243
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:11,760
um

3244
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:13,600
that's that's not what i'm interested in

3245
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,639
and if that's what other people are

3246
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:16,320
interested then you know spend your time

3247
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:18,320
doing that but please don't waste my

3248
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,560
time because i'm i'm i'm not into that

3249
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,880
i've got i've got far more important

3250
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:25,199
priorities on my plate than to than to

3251
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:26,960
you know jump into a

3252
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,600
virtual mosh pit right with with people

3253
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:31,760
who aren't interested in really

3254
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,280
doing anything accomplishing anything

3255
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:35,199
all they want to do is sling mud

3256
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:36,480
and

3257
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:38,159
you know i mean that's that's certainly

3258
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:39,360
the right and privilege if they want to

3259
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,480
do that but

3260
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:42,480
don't involve me i'm not interested in

3261
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,119
that you know i'm interested in real

3262
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:47,840
discussion elevated conversation um

3263
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,320
treating people with dignity and respect

3264
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:51,760
not the

3265
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,800
you know the the dog pile that we're

3266
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:56,400
we're seeing it

3267
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:58,239
unfortunately this topic seems to bring

3268
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,480
out the best and and and in some cases

3269
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:02,159
the worst of individuals

3270
01:51:05,590 --> 01:51:04,159
we we beat that horse to death i mean i

3271
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,600
i know that i'm the one that led it into

3272
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,960
this table but

3273
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:09,440
uh let's move yeah let's go ahead chris

3274
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:11,920
okay so how about this question which

3275
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:13,360
well hopefully it's a question that you

3276
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,159
all don't dislike intensely

3277
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:18,560
it's ratio ratio asks this question kurt

3278
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:20,000
what is the environment that they refer

3279
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,159
to when they're saying that they created

3280
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:24,000
it to attract the phenomenon remember

3281
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:24,960
earlier when we were talking about

3282
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,159
communication yeah that's a great

3283
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,800
question no um

3284
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:31,040
you know i'll answer this generally i

3285
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:32,000
think a lot of people already kind of

3286
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:34,000
know what i'm kind of what i'm alluding

3287
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:35,920
to but we've we've known that there's

3288
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,320
been been interesting um correlations

3289
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,080
between nuclear

3290
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:42,639
technology capabilities whatnot

3291
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:45,199
and and uap activity so clearly if you

3292
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:47,040
can create an environment

3293
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:50,000
where you can potentially attract these

3294
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:50,800
things

3295
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,119
then you can probably collect more data

3296
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:55,199
on these things and so

3297
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,119
you know there lies

3298
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,280
part of the key if you can create a

3299
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:02,159
situation where maybe these things come

3300
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:03,520
because they're interested in what you

3301
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,040
have

3302
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,520
then you can you can collect information

3303
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:09,199
that's about about much as i'm prepared

3304
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,719
to say right now but i think a lot of

3305
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:12,560
people kind of know historically if you

3306
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:15,679
look at robert hastings book

3307
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:18,400
the the nukes and ufos

3308
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:19,840
you know it's

3309
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:21,040
there's a lot of compelling data in

3310
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,830
sean you have anything to add to that

3311
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,320
i mean i'll throw some some uh some

3312
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:30,000
redneck metaphors out there and say you

3313
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,280
don't go to alabama to catch a

3314
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:33,760
hippopotamus

3315
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:35,199
i see

3316
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:37,440
yes nick d says over the time frame that

3317
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,000
you researched and investigated uaps did

3318
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:42,400
you see the uaps improve like faster

3319
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,920
speeds more daring maneuvers

3320
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:45,760
capabilities over time

3321
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:50,149
in other words is there evidence that

3322
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:59,430
it's it's one of those it assumes that i

3323
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,920
have observed you know it assumes a lot

3324
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:03,679
but um nope

3325
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:05,199
not in my lifetime

3326
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:07,040
i can't even say what their technology

3327
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,880
truly does

3328
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:11,360
so it's a hard question to answer

3329
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:13,280
yeah same to me nor with me i haven't i

3330
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,560
haven't seen any

3331
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:16,800
any any indicators that their technology

3332
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:18,960
has has changed or necessarily improved

3333
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:21,360
a lot of the the observations we see now

3334
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,639
are the same ones that were made in the

3335
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:24,719
in quite frankly in the 60s and even the

3336
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:31,030
blaine tortorian asks in the gq

3337
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,040
interview lou you mentioned that a pilot

3338
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,880
experienced 30 minutes go by on his

3339
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,480
watch but only consumed five minutes of

3340
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:38,639
fuel in his jet did you happen to find

3341
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,159
any corroborating evidence in the form

3342
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,320
of few log discrepancies or

3343
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:44,800
chronographic anomalies on the jet any

3344
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,679
tips for forming a foia request on this

3345
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:50,000
yeah there's there's actually been been

3346
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,199
several

3347
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,599
experiences like that reported by by

3348
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:56,400
eyewitnesses military sources

3349
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:58,480
there's one very compelling i won't say

3350
01:54:02,229 --> 01:53:59,920
the person's name

3351
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:02,239
but he was on a mountaintop

3352
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:03,599
and

3353
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:09,119
five hours had gone by

3354
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,119
you know this is the whole missing time

3355
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:13,840
right uh peop the observation that some

3356
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:15,599
people report to have that

3357
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:17,760
that uh what appeared to be just a few

3358
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:20,080
minutes in reality was much much longer

3359
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:21,440
and there's also a lot of reporting from

3360
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:24,239
foreign pilots as well and foreign uh

3361
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:26,320
military personnel so this isn't just a

3362
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:28,480
u.s thing there's other individuals who

3363
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,639
have have experienced this as well the

3364
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:33,040
problem is very hard to reconcile

3365
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:37,280
because you know at some point

3366
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,159
human observation is subjective you know

3367
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:44,550
i think i think we have to be careful i

3368
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:47,040
think it's a data point but as sean

3369
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,159
likes to say all the time at the end of

3370
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:51,040
the day it's just a data point um

3371
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:53,119
you know it we it's it's in the

3372
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:55,119
collection of many many data points that

3373
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:56,560
allows us to create a much more

3374
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,159
comprehensive picture

3375
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,080
so i'm always careful not to just use a

3376
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,400
single data point and that's why from

3377
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:04,800
the percep perspective of atip

3378
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:06,239
the observables were so important

3379
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:08,239
because you had five distinct actually

3380
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:10,719
six distinct observables that when put

3381
01:55:13,830 --> 01:55:12,239
together painted a very compelling

3382
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:13,840
picture you know one could say well we

3383
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,440
have hypersonic vehicles or we have

3384
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,800
vehicles i can do

3385
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:18,639
instantaneous acceleration or low

3386
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:20,400
observability

3387
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,760
but we don't have one that can do all

3388
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,760
five right and so that's when it becomes

3389
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:25,360
very compelling and the same thing with

3390
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:27,760
the with the biological effects in this

3391
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:30,159
case if you have missing time then then

3392
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:32,000
that is potentially a biological or a

3393
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:33,440
psychological effect and that's

3394
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:35,040
something that you now see in the in the

3395
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:36,639
law you know we have to we have to

3396
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,960
report on biological effects

3397
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:40,800
recently this is a question that i have

3398
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,639
george knapp revealed that area 51 has a

3399
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:44,480
multitude of names like paradise ranch

3400
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:46,560
and the ranch and red square i wrote a

3401
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:48,159
couple of them else down saint elsewhere

3402
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,800
home plate homie airport the site so

3403
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:52,560
have you heard of these and can this

3404
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,520
information be used for a foia request

3405
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:57,440
kurt i lost you entirely here for some

3406
01:56:01,910 --> 01:56:00,320
reason my my my headphone went out for a

3407
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:01,920
second can you repeat that again worst

3408
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:03,440
comes to worst happens again i'll switch

3409
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:05,840
to these these ugly things

3410
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,560
george knapp revealed that area 51 has

3411
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:11,040
many names paradise ranch

3412
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:14,400
the ranch red square home plate etc have

3413
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:16,000
you heard of these i assume that these

3414
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:18,719
were governmental names so i'm curious

3415
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,320
if this information if it can be used

3416
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,400
for a foia request

3417
01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:24,159
and also why do you think it has so many

3418
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,360
names does it mean that there are

3419
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:27,119
multiple government organizations

3420
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,639
operating there

3421
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:30,239
i think all information can be used for

3422
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:31,760
foia um

3423
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,320
you know we have we have names for new

3424
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:36,239
york we call it the big city we call it

3425
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,760
the big apple we call it all sorts of

3426
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:38,960
things right

3427
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:42,000
um you know organizations over time you

3428
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:44,320
know give give names some of this for

3429
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:45,920
real reasons like opsec we call

3430
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:48,639
operational security you know if you you

3431
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,320
want to keep saying uh you know people

3432
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:52,159
that were in the cia you know of course

3433
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:53,599
i can say this but everybody was oh you

3434
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,239
know he he went to the farm right the

3435
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:58,159
farm is it's not really the name of it

3436
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,320
but that's what you call it you know uh

3437
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:02,239
same thing with area 51 or grim lake or

3438
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:03,679
you know whatever non de jour you want

3439
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:05,440
to use um

3440
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:06,800
there's lots of reasons why people do

3441
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:09,040
that um some of it again is for true

3442
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:10,560
operational reasons because you don't

3443
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:12,400
want to use something's real name and

3444
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:14,000
you want to use it in conversation and

3445
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:15,760
somebody who's also right onto something

3446
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:16,800
you can

3447
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:19,360
you let's say kurt you and sean and i

3448
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:21,599
were part of a program and you can't

3449
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:24,000
ever say the program's name so you you

3450
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:25,679
call it something else you know hey we

3451
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:26,880
got to go talk about the elephant

3452
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:28,960
tomorrow and elephant being you know a

3453
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:31,760
code word for the program right and so

3454
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:33,360
those are the type of things that that

3455
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:34,800
are that are quite common especially in

3456
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:36,239
the military when you're talking about

3457
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:38,480
military facilities and organizations

3458
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:41,520
it's super super common you know um

3459
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:43,920
like for example when i was in in in the

3460
01:57:48,790 --> 01:57:45,599
army in uh

3461
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:48,800
in um in korea south korea uh you you

3462
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,480
know we have it uh you have the second

3463
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:52,560
id the second infantry division up on

3464
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:54,719
the dmz but we called it the deuce you

3465
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:57,040
know was it that its official name no

3466
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:58,800
but everybody referred to it as the

3467
01:58:02,149 --> 01:57:59,679
deuce

3468
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:02,159
um it's it's it's quite common sean you

3469
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:04,880
you got any i'd say foil what you like

3470
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:07,040
and see what you get back i mean

3471
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:08,400
i would ask them if they have any

3472
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,560
interest in what area one through fifth

3473
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:12,880
through 57 are called as well because

3474
01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:15,520
all of those test ranges exist too

3475
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:16,719
i mean i don't know what the exact

3476
01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:17,679
number is

3477
01:58:22,550 --> 01:58:19,920
but area five one was not picked out of

3478
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:22,560
nowhere it's a it's a grid marker

3479
01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:23,679
so

3480
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:25,679
and it's is it a test facility it would

3481
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,960
seem that that's been acknowledged

3482
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:28,560
during bill clinton's administration

3483
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:30,080
aerial photos where the first you know

3484
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:31,440
came out for the first time and that's

3485
01:58:36,149 --> 01:58:33,840
how we got into the idea that area 51

3486
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:36,159
was even a real place

3487
01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:37,920
and that it was a test range

3488
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:40,239
but past that i can't i don't know i

3489
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:41,679
appreciate george's work don't get me

3490
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:43,520
wrong i would never in a million years

3491
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:45,840
doubt anything george is incredible he

3492
01:58:51,109 --> 01:58:48,560
is an edifice to this subject he is one

3493
01:58:53,669 --> 01:58:51,119
of the most valuable intellects and and

3494
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:53,679
archives and has some of the best

3495
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:56,239
understanding of anyone around here so i

3496
01:59:01,109 --> 01:58:58,719
think that if george knapp found a bunch

3497
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:01,119
of names that were associated with with

3498
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:03,360
the nevada test site

3499
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:05,679
if you are into foia i think that's a

3500
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:08,560
good person to look to to find keywords

3501
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:10,880
but but beyond that i don't know what

3502
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,800
area 51 does beyond test aircraft at for

3503
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:16,560
nellis air force base

3504
01:59:20,310 --> 01:59:18,800
and yes i know that there are certain

3505
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:20,320
terminals and airlines and all these

3506
01:59:24,070 --> 01:59:21,520
other things that like to go back and

3507
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,080
forth but again stories

3508
01:59:28,470 --> 01:59:26,639
i don't have proof if i had proof i'd be

3509
01:59:30,149 --> 01:59:28,480
on i'd call you up and we'd have a

3510
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:30,159
really cool show if i was like look bro

3511
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:31,679
i got proof

3512
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:33,199
you know and so i won't talk about it

3513
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:39,990
okay this question comes from cyprian

3514
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:41,520
siginic

3515
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:43,199
among all the uap incidents you've

3516
01:59:47,589 --> 01:59:44,480
investigated

3517
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:47,599
which one stands out to you

3518
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:50,239
for me it's the 2004 nimitz tic tac

3519
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:52,239
incident because we have the most

3520
01:59:56,229 --> 01:59:54,080
comprehensive

3521
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,239
multi-spectral data on it now do we have

3522
02:00:00,070 --> 01:59:58,239
access to all of that dope

3523
02:00:02,950 --> 02:00:00,080
but we at least have the rational

3524
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:02,960
stories or excuse me anecdotes and and a

3525
02:00:06,870 --> 02:00:04,719
certain paper trail to follow that says

3526
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:06,880
that those tapes were taken

3527
02:00:09,510 --> 02:00:07,920
and so

3528
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:09,520
the first thing that says to me is in

3529
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:11,920
2004 there was a program running that

3530
02:00:17,589 --> 02:00:13,840
was ready to respond to incidences like

3531
02:00:19,750 --> 02:00:17,599
this at least to debrief and retrieve uh

3532
02:00:20,709 --> 02:00:19,760
elint data

3533
02:00:22,790 --> 02:00:20,719
um

3534
02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:22,800
but that's that's all i know but to me

3535
02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:24,880
that's the most interesting because we

3536
02:00:29,109 --> 02:00:26,880
can nail down the most

3537
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:29,119
uh the most comprehensive pieces of an

3538
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,199
investigation something worthwhile

3539
02:00:36,149 --> 02:00:33,119
occurred and that there's more

3540
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:36,159
information out there that we can

3541
02:00:40,310 --> 02:00:38,639
that we could get on it we could clarify

3542
02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:40,320
if we had that information we would know

3543
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:41,440
a lot more

3544
02:00:45,030 --> 02:00:43,440
and it's multi you know i i say

3545
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:45,040
multi-spectral i want to be careful when

3546
02:00:49,669 --> 02:00:48,400
i say that i'm saying multi-point

3547
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,679
multi-point

3548
02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:51,599
so to me that's the most interesting one

3549
02:00:55,350 --> 02:00:53,920
and granted i was there i don't think my

3550
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:55,360
eyewitness account is the most

3551
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:57,040
interesting thing of it i think it's way

3552
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:58,719
towards the bottom of the list it's

3553
02:01:01,910 --> 02:01:00,719
completely unprovable

3554
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:01,920
um

3555
02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:03,840
but beyond that that's my one i'd be

3556
02:01:09,109 --> 02:01:07,280
interested to hear what it has to say

3557
02:01:10,870 --> 02:01:09,119
oh i said before it's like choosing my

3558
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:10,880
favorite kid right um

3559
02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:12,560
i love them all i find something

3560
02:01:17,109 --> 02:01:15,280
interesting in every single of the

3561
02:01:18,550 --> 02:01:17,119
incidents that i've been privy to

3562
02:01:20,709 --> 02:01:18,560
some are very very compelling some are a

3563
02:01:22,390 --> 02:01:20,719
bit more anecdotal some are

3564
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:22,400
you know as i've said before

3565
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:24,080
i can't provide more than other than

3566
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:26,320
saying there's there's a 23 minute video

3567
02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:29,040
that's really really really compelling

3568
02:01:32,070 --> 02:01:30,480
um you know

3569
02:01:34,229 --> 02:01:32,080
those are the ones that leave you really

3570
02:01:36,709 --> 02:01:34,239
scratching your head saying

3571
02:01:38,550 --> 02:01:36,719
what the hell did i just see

3572
02:01:39,990 --> 02:01:38,560
um

3573
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:40,000
you know i might my hope is that

3574
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:41,520
ascendant some of these incidents become

3575
02:01:46,629 --> 02:01:43,760
more and more um

3576
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:46,639
prevalent and and people in in office

3577
02:01:51,189 --> 02:01:48,960
particularly congress are successful in

3578
02:01:53,669 --> 02:01:51,199
getting some of this stuff declassified

3579
02:01:55,270 --> 02:01:53,679
that some of the more compelling

3580
02:01:57,030 --> 02:01:55,280
videos and incidents will become more

3581
02:01:58,310 --> 02:01:57,040
public public knowledge and then and

3582
02:02:00,070 --> 02:01:58,320
then you can have that conversation

3583
02:02:02,229 --> 02:02:00,080
right then i can ask you

3584
02:02:05,189 --> 02:02:02,239
the same question what which one is your

3585
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:05,199
most compelling incident right now there

3586
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:06,639
there's there's so many of them and

3587
02:02:13,669 --> 02:02:10,000
they're some of them were just

3588
02:02:15,109 --> 02:02:13,679
truly baffling um

3589
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,119
but you know unfortunately there's

3590
02:02:19,990 --> 02:02:17,360
there's most of it i really can't can't

3591
02:02:21,830 --> 02:02:20,000
talk about yet in the public sphere

3592
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:21,840
which for me is very frustrating sure

3593
02:02:26,070 --> 02:02:23,920
which one stands out that you can talk

3594
02:02:27,189 --> 02:02:26,080
about would it be the nimitz as well

3595
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:27,199
well the nimitz was certainly one of the

3596
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:29,119
most comprehensive investigations that

3597
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:30,400
thing went on for a while there were

3598
02:02:33,910 --> 02:02:32,080
several investigations there's a lot of

3599
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:33,920
documentation reporting on it a lot of

3600
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,360
it was made public

3601
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:37,679
um i think it's you know it's it's

3602
02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:39,840
certainly one of the gold standards for

3603
02:02:46,149 --> 02:02:41,920
for the u.s government as far as

3604
02:02:48,950 --> 02:02:46,159
investigations um but there's

3605
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:48,960
a lot more i mean there's uh chris will

3606
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,480
tell you the story about him seeing an

3607
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,639
email um

3608
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:54,480
from somebody this very senior ranking

3609
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:56,239
person in the navy basically saying i

3610
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:57,679
got these things all over my ship what

3611
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:58,800
do you want me to do

3612
02:03:02,229 --> 02:03:00,560
you know i can't keep people below deck

3613
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:02,239
forever i mean

3614
02:03:06,310 --> 02:03:04,080
people are going to see these things how

3615
02:03:07,510 --> 02:03:06,320
do you want me to to what do you want

3616
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,520
about what do you want me to do about

3617
02:03:10,629 --> 02:03:09,520
this right because i'm

3618
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:10,639
they're they're

3619
02:03:14,070 --> 02:03:12,719
it's very prevalent and and this is

3620
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:14,080
going to be this won't be able to be

3621
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:16,560
kept secret for very long so

3622
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:18,719
you know that's an example of of of just

3623
02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:20,719
sheer frustration in some cases you're

3624
02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:22,159
like you know

3625
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:23,920
we've got to get a handle on this we

3626
02:03:28,149 --> 02:03:25,360
really do we got to we got to figure

3627
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:28,159
this out

3628
02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:30,159
this is about the ocean casey price

3629
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:32,080
wants to know regarding uso so

3630
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:34,639
unidentified submerged objects

3631
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:36,480
have you seen underwater photographs or

3632
02:03:41,510 --> 02:03:39,440
video that support that they exist

3633
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:41,520
well first of all photographic evidence

3634
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:43,360
underwater is a much different story

3635
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:45,520
than photographic evidence in the sky

3636
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:46,480
okay

3637
02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:48,320
first of all water is opaque water is

3638
02:03:51,189 --> 02:03:50,400
very dense light doesn't travel very

3639
02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:51,199
well

3640
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:54,239
in fact uh in a very close crystal i'm

3641
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:56,000
an avid scuba diver on a crystal clear

3642
02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:58,000
day in some of the best caribbean waters

3643
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,080
in the world your visibility is maybe

3644
02:04:04,149 --> 02:04:02,560
120 feet if you're lucky and that's not

3645
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:04,159
really that far if you think about it

3646
02:04:06,950 --> 02:04:06,000
you know it is when you're diving but

3647
02:04:08,709 --> 02:04:06,960
but

3648
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:08,719
it's not really that far and so so we

3649
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:11,040
have to rely on other technical means to

3650
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:13,040
to to if you will see virtually

3651
02:04:17,030 --> 02:04:15,040
underwater and we use things like sonar

3652
02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:17,040
we use very much like we talked about

3653
02:04:22,070 --> 02:04:19,360
earlier uh the same principles that that

3654
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:22,080
dolphins use to echolocate we do that as

3655
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:23,920
well using submarines and ships and we

3656
02:04:27,669 --> 02:04:25,920
can see below the water virtually right

3657
02:04:29,830 --> 02:04:27,679
we're not actually seeing but we're we

3658
02:04:32,149 --> 02:04:29,840
are creating an image a virtual image

3659
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:32,159
that allows us you know to to see the

3660
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:33,520
bottom of the ocean and what's in

3661
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:34,800
between whether it's through side

3662
02:04:39,510 --> 02:04:38,159
scanning sonar or or other means the

3663
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:39,520
problem is that

3664
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:42,000
sound also travels only at a certain

3665
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:45,520
speed underwater so you're only going to

3666
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:48,639
sonar can only pick up and be used to to

3667
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:50,639
pick up objects

3668
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:52,639
that are going at least as fast or

3669
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:54,560
slower than the sonar

3670
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:56,719
signals otherwise it outruns it right

3671
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:58,719
and you never you never catch up

3672
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:01,440
so there's limitations um and that's why

3673
02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:02,880
you have the quote unquote silent

3674
02:05:06,470 --> 02:05:04,480
service of submarines why they're so

3675
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:06,480
stealthy because you know here you have

3676
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:07,520
basically

3677
02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:09,119
something the size of this you know

3678
02:05:14,229 --> 02:05:11,840
skyscraper underwater that no one ever

3679
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:14,239
sees because it's hard to see underwater

3680
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:15,119
um

3681
02:05:19,270 --> 02:05:16,719
now does that mean we have technical

3682
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:19,280
data um you know beyond just you know

3683
02:05:22,790 --> 02:05:20,800
images for example what you might see

3684
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:22,800
underwater yeah there seems to be some

3685
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:24,400
pretty compelling information down there

3686
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:26,000
to suggest that

3687
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:31,119
that uap may also be related to usos um

3688
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:33,440
and that the two may in fact be very

3689
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:36,480
very relate very much related and that

3690
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:38,400
objects that are flying in and around

3691
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:40,239
our skies who will fly that's not really

3692
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:42,400
the right term but in in and around our

3693
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,560
atmosphere may also have the ability to

3694
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:46,320
perform uh

3695
02:05:49,990 --> 02:05:48,000
similarly underwater and this is where

3696
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:50,000
the trans-medium travel piece comes into

3697
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:52,000
as far as the five observables things

3698
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:54,000
that have the ability to fly with the

3699
02:05:57,589 --> 02:05:55,920
same performance characteristics in our

3700
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:57,599
atmosphere as i can underwater and

3701
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:59,440
possibly even in space

3702
02:06:02,629 --> 02:06:00,239
um

3703
02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:02,639
you know we we do have technologies that

3704
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:04,800
are trans medium we have for example a

3705
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:06,880
seaplane you know seaplane can fly and

3706
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:09,360
it can also float on the water but let's

3707
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:10,960
face it a seaplane isn't really a good

3708
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:12,960
aircraft or a really good boat it's a

3709
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:14,880
compromise because in order to operate

3710
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:16,320
in more domains or more more

3711
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,360
environments

3712
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:19,440
you have to you have to accommodate more

3713
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:21,280
things more considerations and there's

3714
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,840
always sacrifices performance sacrifices

3715
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:25,760
associated with that

3716
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:27,040
and that's why you would never expect to

3717
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:30,560
see plane to to fly like an f22 or or

3718
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:33,440
operate like a uh like a submarine

3719
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:35,040
because it just can't it's just just too

3720
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:36,800
much and yet that's precisely what we're

3721
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:38,719
seeing here in some cases with with

3722
02:06:42,830 --> 02:06:41,280
these uap

3723
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:42,840
in the navy we have a term called

3724
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:45,360
scuttlebutt and it's something that in

3725
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:47,280
general the leadership tries to cut down

3726
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:48,800
on scuttlebutt

3727
02:06:51,510 --> 02:06:50,400
but it's rumor

3728
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:51,520
um

3729
02:06:54,069 --> 02:06:52,800
and so what i'm about to give you a

3730
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:54,079
scuttlebutt because i won't give you

3731
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:55,599
names i'm not going to help folks and i

3732
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:57,280
won't even say what platforms i talk to

3733
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,400
folks from because you could easily

3734
02:07:01,669 --> 02:07:00,400
trace folks not you i'm not saying you

3735
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:01,679
would either i'm just not gonna you know

3736
02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:03,760
one getting dogs yeah

3737
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:06,079
but i've talked to my um

3738
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,119
numerous

3739
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:09,840
senior uh enlisted leaders sonar tech

3740
02:07:13,270 --> 02:07:11,360
sonar technicians

3741
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:13,280
and it's practically you know they'll

3742
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:14,880
look left they'll look right and they'll

3743
02:07:18,629 --> 02:07:16,719
be like that's an open secret

3744
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:18,639
we all know there are usos we all know

3745
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:19,840
there are things that are we're picking

3746
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:22,480
up on sonar just like your radar text

3747
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:24,000
are like yeah we've all seen your quotes

3748
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:25,760
you don't talk about you just keep you

3749
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:28,079
know you talk about the aircraft in your

3750
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:29,360
pattern make sure there's no safety

3751
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:31,760
violations and everybody laughs it off

3752
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:32,880
and

3753
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:34,239
you know some people don't even make log

3754
02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:36,320
entries the sonar techs are going

3755
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:37,760
through the same thing so i'll throw

3756
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:39,360
that it's scuttlebutt i can you know i

3757
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:40,560
can't verify it i'm not going to haul

3758
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:41,920
any of them up here on the show for you

3759
02:07:44,470 --> 02:07:42,960
and they already told me they don't want

3760
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:44,480
to get involved they got their they got

3761
02:07:47,589 --> 02:07:45,679
their own jobs they're not willing to

3762
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:47,599
risk any of it for this stuff but the

3763
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:48,960
word on the street is it's an open

3764
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:49,840
secret

3765
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:51,520
and what a couple of the guys have told

3766
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,360
me is we're told to log it and dog it

3767
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:55,920
what that means is

3768
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:57,520
in some cases in the old days i mean you

3769
02:08:00,950 --> 02:08:00,000
put it in the the log and then you lined

3770
02:08:04,229 --> 02:08:00,960
it out

3771
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:04,239
so it was no longer an official entry

3772
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:06,079
in this case it is morphed into don't

3773
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:07,440
even write it down

3774
02:08:09,910 --> 02:08:08,639
because they're not going to do anything

3775
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,920
about it now

3776
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:12,480
that's as i said that's scuttlebutt

3777
02:08:16,069 --> 02:08:13,920
that's rumor

3778
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,079
but i've collected that from numerous

3779
02:08:19,990 --> 02:08:18,239
disparate sources so

3780
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:20,000
more than that it's it's it that's

3781
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:22,480
that's that's very accurate what shawn

3782
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:25,520
is telling you um and there was a i can

3783
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:26,880
say there was because there's an article

3784
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:29,199
on it um about the navy's what they call

3785
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:31,199
that people are familiar with with the

3786
02:08:34,390 --> 02:08:33,119
with the fast walker program but i'm not

3787
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:34,400
sure people are familiar so much with

3788
02:08:39,350 --> 02:08:37,199
the fast mover program and that was an

3789
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:39,360
article if anybody cares to look it up

3790
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:40,719
you can look it up

3791
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:43,440
um you know it's it's about about the

3792
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:44,960
navy's uh

3793
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,560
um

3794
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:48,639
collection of data regarding you know

3795
02:08:53,109 --> 02:08:51,840
incidentally of of usos

3796
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:53,119
and i'll include a link to that in the

3797
02:08:56,870 --> 02:08:55,119
description so for those who are

3798
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:56,880
watching or listening you can check out

3799
02:09:01,589 --> 02:08:59,360
the description for that so brian asks

3800
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:01,599
how important is sound to the advanced

3801
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:03,840
physics theories about the uaps now this

3802
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:05,280
is interesting because usually we hear

3803
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:07,599
about gravity light and so on have you

3804
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:10,960
heard anything about sound being

3805
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:13,440
essential rather than simply in fact

3806
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:14,639
i'll jump on that my one of my

3807
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:16,639
colleagues chris mellon is working very

3808
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:19,920
hard right now trying to to acquire data

3809
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:23,840
from uh infrasonics um you know

3810
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:26,159
think entering the earth's atmosphere um

3811
02:09:31,030 --> 02:09:28,800
give off an acoustic signature uh

3812
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:31,040
whether it's an asteroid or meteor or

3813
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:33,840
you know ballistic missile per se

3814
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:36,400
everything has signatures and aircraft

3815
02:09:39,030 --> 02:09:37,679
you can sit in your backyard look at an

3816
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:39,040
airplane going over and you can hear the

3817
02:09:42,310 --> 02:09:40,400
jet engine

3818
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:42,320
there are acoustic signatures associated

3819
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:44,320
with these things and infrasonics is is

3820
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:46,560
part of that and as chris suggested in

3821
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:49,520
his recent most recent article that

3822
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:51,440
there is data available potentially that

3823
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:53,199
could help us better understand the

3824
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:55,520
nature of uaps

3825
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:57,840
if we had the ability to to

3826
02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:00,239
access that data and if we knew what we

3827
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,480
were looking for so so yeah it's a great

3828
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:03,840
question and it's something that that

3829
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:05,760
that is being looked into

3830
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:07,199
speaking of accessible data this

3831
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:09,040
question comes from rebecca schwart

3832
02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:10,560
thank you to all three of you for your

3833
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:12,719
time question are you aware of any

3834
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:15,679
civilian-based data collection slash

3835
02:10:20,229 --> 02:10:17,679
analysis efforts worth looking into

3836
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:20,239
further what civilian accessible data

3837
02:10:27,430 --> 02:10:25,830
at the moment i would first point to uh

3838
02:10:31,510 --> 02:10:27,440
dr avilo

3839
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:33,669
at the galileo project uh beyond that

3840
02:10:37,990 --> 02:10:35,360
i'm not prepared to say any names out

3841
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:38,000
there i do have some

3842
02:10:41,589 --> 02:10:39,520
some colleagues that we've worked with

3843
02:10:43,830 --> 02:10:41,599
that we've helped advise on a certain on

3844
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:43,840
a couple of projects that are interested

3845
02:10:48,229 --> 02:10:46,800
in data collection uh collating that

3846
02:10:51,030 --> 02:10:48,239
data and

3847
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:51,040
providing it uh as needed

3848
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:52,079
um

3849
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:54,159
i don't think we could have enough data

3850
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:55,199
collection

3851
02:10:57,990 --> 02:10:56,159
and

3852
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,000
while you'll hear me talk about too many

3853
02:11:01,350 --> 02:11:00,239
podcasts we need more data collection

3854
02:11:02,870 --> 02:11:01,360
companies

3855
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:02,880
we need more people that are going to

3856
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:04,800
attack the electromagnetic spectrum from

3857
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:06,880
every every possible

3858
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:08,800
you know vantage point that they can and

3859
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:10,719
then think of other means to sample our

3860
02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:13,199
reality for for replicatable or at least

3861
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:14,719
recordable data

3862
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,320
um

3863
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:18,560
so that the folks i i'm not i'm i don't

3864
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:20,159
push other people's businesses and you

3865
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:22,719
know i don't i don't do that but um but

3866
02:11:27,109 --> 02:11:25,040
there are people working very hard that

3867
02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:27,119
have come very far that have made a lot

3868
02:11:29,750 --> 02:11:28,560
of relationships and have built an

3869
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:29,760
infrastructure in the last couple of

3870
02:11:33,350 --> 02:11:31,760
years because they were paying attention

3871
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:33,360
and i really look forward to seeing what

3872
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:34,960
they have to offer soon there's a

3873
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:37,760
question here from joe mergia and he has

3874
02:11:41,109 --> 02:11:39,599
a podcast called ufo gel which i'll link

3875
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:41,119
in the description have you come across

3876
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:42,960
any information that you deem credible

3877
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:45,040
that holloman was a real event now the

3878
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:46,560
claims for those who are unfamiliar is

3879
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:48,880
that a craft of unknown origin landed at

3880
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:52,000
holloman af base in 1964 humanoid

3881
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:53,599
looking beans got out and were whisked

3882
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:55,360
away off to a meeting with the military

3883
02:11:59,109 --> 02:11:57,840
brass at the base then left so what's

3884
02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:59,119
your opinion on the aspects of these

3885
02:12:01,750 --> 02:12:00,079
claims

3886
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:01,760
i've read the same stories everyone else

3887
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:04,239
has read in ufology

3888
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:06,560
um you know i'll tell you that that

3889
02:12:12,390 --> 02:12:09,760
the problem is we don't know what's been

3890
02:12:13,830 --> 02:12:12,400
what is based in a real event and then

3891
02:12:16,149 --> 02:12:13,840
what has been

3892
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:16,159
added to a story right so

3893
02:12:20,149 --> 02:12:18,079
usually a lot of stories are based in in

3894
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:20,159
some fact the question is how much fat

3895
02:12:22,550 --> 02:12:20,880
right

3896
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:22,560
did something happen

3897
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:26,960
uh at holloman air force base and if so

3898
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:28,639
what and

3899
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:30,320
did all these other things that happened

3900
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:31,440
later

3901
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:32,880
you know is it just a story that grew

3902
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:33,840
and grew and grew and grew and

3903
02:12:37,270 --> 02:12:35,920
snowballed into what we know what we

3904
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:37,280
will be here now

3905
02:12:42,310 --> 02:12:40,159
or was it all based in in truth or

3906
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,320
partial truth and so you know that's

3907
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:43,840
that's something that is

3908
02:12:47,189 --> 02:12:45,440
trying to be determined

3909
02:12:48,950 --> 02:12:47,199
um that you know the problem was with

3910
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,960
these cold cases is that the longer the

3911
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:50,239
time goes on

3912
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:52,480
the harder it gets this is you know 50

3913
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:54,719
years ago and most of the people if any

3914
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:56,320
would be involved in that may be dead by

3915
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:57,360
now

3916
02:13:01,350 --> 02:12:59,840
so it's hard and so that's why in a tip

3917
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:01,360
we really were focusing on the here and

3918
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:03,280
now if you will on on incidents

3919
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,520
involving involving

3920
02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:07,440
military equities

3921
02:13:10,709 --> 02:13:09,520
now or in the present because going back

3922
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:10,719
to these

3923
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:12,079
it's it you almost don't know where to

3924
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:13,920
start right because it's it's kind of

3925
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:16,000
gone it's gone now into into the world

3926
02:13:20,470 --> 02:13:17,840
of mythology where

3927
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:20,480
you know people say certain things but i

3928
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:21,840
heard it through this person who heard

3929
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:23,199
it through that person who was someone

3930
02:13:26,870 --> 02:13:24,480
who was stationed there who saw the

3931
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:26,880
video who saw that

3932
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:28,400
it's hard and so i'm not going to

3933
02:13:32,229 --> 02:13:29,760
comment on that simply because hey i

3934
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:32,239
wasn't there and i don't know um but i

3935
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:33,679
will say that it is certainly

3936
02:13:37,109 --> 02:13:35,520
interesting and and you know obviously

3937
02:13:39,589 --> 02:13:37,119
we keep our feelers out for anybody who

3938
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:39,599
wants to come forward who may have

3939
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:41,040
additional information regarding that

3940
02:13:44,629 --> 02:13:42,960
event if they want to share it we'd love

3941
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:44,639
to hear it

3942
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,159
okay this question is from andy from

3943
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,400
that ufo podcast thanks to the three of

3944
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:50,239
you and what more needs to be done to

3945
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:52,079
encourage those in the mainstream to get

3946
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:54,159
involved with data collection

3947
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:56,719
hello so we'll start with sean

3948
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:58,800
well that's frankly that's what i'm

3949
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:01,119
working on every day it's um it's

3950
02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:03,040
cutting the nonsense we've been frankly

3951
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,199
complaining and borderline ranting about

3952
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:07,520
on this on this podcast cutting it out

3953
02:14:11,669 --> 02:14:09,520
not entertaining it anymore

3954
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:11,679
um not even frankly i don't care go

3955
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:13,280
start your own show

3956
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:15,199
you know what i mean um you want to find

3957
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:16,560
out all the secrets of the various

3958
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:18,639
universe go for it we want to collect

3959
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:19,679
data

3960
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:22,480
and so we talk to people we as i as i

3961
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,719
often say we say this is real

3962
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:26,400
here are some excellent data points to

3963
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:27,440
look at

3964
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:29,199
what are your thoughts do you see merit

3965
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:31,280
here they say yes i see merit would you

3966
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:32,880
like to help us collect more data and

3967
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:34,480
try to understand this these are i mean

3968
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:35,920
i'm presenting this in a very vague

3969
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:36,880
fashion

3970
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:38,560
but it's that simple

3971
02:14:42,149 --> 02:14:40,719
hey can i have your attention

3972
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:42,159
this is real would you like to get

3973
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:44,560
involved yes you know yes or no some

3974
02:14:47,109 --> 02:14:46,000
people have said no

3975
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:47,119
they said you know what we've already

3976
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:48,400
we're already in a good place we have

3977
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:49,840
good contracts here we're in a place

3978
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:51,280
like this we don't want to mess with our

3979
02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:52,480
you know we don't want to spook our

3980
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:55,280
clientele or our investors or or

3981
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:56,719
whatever it is

3982
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:59,360
and it's understandable but some people

3983
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:01,119
see this for what it is

3984
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,880
that for some something's different i

3985
02:15:06,790 --> 02:15:04,320
don't i don't i've never liked the

3986
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:06,800
question why now i don't know

3987
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:08,719
now i'm i only have now as i said

3988
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:10,560
earlier in our conversation

3989
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:11,520
um

3990
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:13,679
but it's interesting

3991
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:18,719
um and so i you know i hope that slices

3992
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:25,109
yeah can you um

3993
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:26,880
i want to be accurate as possible can

3994
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,840
you repeat the question please um

3995
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:31,679
you want to know what people could do to

3996
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:33,679
uh to encourage data collection in the

3997
02:15:36,380 --> 02:15:34,800
private sector

3998
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:36,390
at a higher level

3999
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:39,119
[Applause]

4000
02:15:42,229 --> 02:15:40,960
i mean it's a tough question because i

4001
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:42,239
mean

4002
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,480
i would say anything people can do is is

4003
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:46,000
helpful but then again

4004
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:47,679
that's not entirely true every time

4005
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:48,800
because

4006
02:15:51,750 --> 02:15:50,480
not everything is helpful

4007
02:15:53,990 --> 02:15:51,760
um

4008
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:54,000
you know i i think

4009
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:55,840
i think being aware of the conversation

4010
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:58,000
um you know everybody now has one of

4011
02:16:01,750 --> 02:15:59,599
these devices in their hands right so

4012
02:16:05,270 --> 02:16:01,760
your your virtual collection platform

4013
02:16:07,510 --> 02:16:05,280
taking videos pictures and whatnot

4014
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:07,520
i think being informed

4015
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:08,800
arming yourself with knowledge and

4016
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,159
information

4017
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:12,480
and yes that it may seem contradictory

4018
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:16,159
but it requires um

4019
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,400
talking to people you know and and by

4020
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:20,400
the way formulating your own opinions as

4021
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:22,239
a result of that okay don't don't take

4022
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:24,000
somebody else's opinions

4023
02:16:28,470 --> 02:16:26,239
um and understanding the the playing

4024
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:28,480
field you know who who who's legitimate

4025
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:30,719
who's not what are the motivations and

4026
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:33,519
and by by certain organizations and

4027
02:16:37,270 --> 02:16:34,880
people that may be involved in this

4028
02:16:40,549 --> 02:16:37,280
topic why do some people uh have the

4029
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:40,559
opinions that they do you know uh

4030
02:16:47,190 --> 02:16:45,429
you know it it's hard for me to say

4031
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:47,200
because you i'm you're asking people to

4032
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:49,599
teach themselves and they say okay well

4033
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:52,719
teach me how to teach myself well

4034
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,319
then again if i do that then it would

4035
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:56,080
fall into the same you know pit we did

4036
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:57,599
last time while teaching you what to

4037
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,840
think and not how to think and so

4038
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:01,519
i don't want to be overly prescriptive

4039
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:03,679
just be curious be yourself ask the

4040
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:04,719
questions

4041
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:09,120
i think

4042
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,439
be fearless in your pursuit of knowledge

4043
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:13,439
and and also have the courage to

4044
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:14,479
question

4045
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:15,679
um

4046
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:17,120
question people including myself

4047
02:17:20,389 --> 02:17:19,280
including sean including you including

4048
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:20,399
everybody

4049
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:21,359
um

4050
02:17:28,389 --> 02:17:26,160
is good now uh

4051
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:28,399
disrespect and attacks now that's that's

4052
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:31,120
not um you know that's that's not that's

4053
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:32,880
not ever uh

4054
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:34,080
something that should be should be

4055
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:35,920
supported or condoned

4056
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:37,359
sadly it is

4057
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:38,880
if you're gonna ask somebody a question

4058
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,639
about their opinion make damn sure you

4059
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:42,479
know what yours is first and be willing

4060
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:44,800
to state it and stand behind it and be

4061
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:46,479
willing to change it if the other

4062
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:48,800
person's opinion and their data change

4063
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:49,920
is yours

4064
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:52,000
but holding an opinion asking questions

4065
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:53,599
and i'm not talking about you again kurt

4066
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:55,280
i'm just saying a lot of times in this

4067
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:57,359
field it's so combative

4068
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:59,920
that people wield questions like swords

4069
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:01,760
and and and

4070
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:04,880
use petty excuses for shields

4071
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:06,240
um

4072
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:07,679
it's important that we all have a good

4073
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:08,800
understanding we want to have a

4074
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:10,559
conversation

4075
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:12,160
we don't want to have an interrogation

4076
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:15,599
session we want to have a you know a

4077
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:17,760
a a conversation where we're all

4078
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:19,599
educated enough to bring the

4079
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:22,319
conversation to a new level to rise to

4080
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:23,760
something new and to create something

4081
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:27,280
new and so that's why a lot of times we

4082
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:28,639
yeah again we get posed a lot of

4083
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:30,160
questions that i'm not sure if the if

4084
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:32,240
the question person asking it

4085
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:35,120
already expects a specific answer

4086
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:38,080
or or is looking to learn i guess so i

4087
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:40,000
would also say be prepared to challenge

4088
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:41,519
the hucksters and the fraudsters and the

4089
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:44,160
liars you know when when someone is is

4090
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:46,000
spewing off their opinion and they've

4091
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:47,920
been confirmed to be a liar and lied

4092
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:49,679
about things in the past

4093
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:51,599
then you know hold them accountable say

4094
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:53,599
hey you know you said this before and

4095
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:55,200
you got caught lying

4096
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:57,120
uh or or deceiving or not telling the

4097
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:58,960
truth why should we believe you now

4098
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:00,719
right there's people out there

4099
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:02,399
pretending they're spies

4100
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:03,679
there's people out there recording

4101
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,760
private conversations there's people out

4102
02:19:08,549 --> 02:19:07,599
there making up conversations and

4103
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:08,559
claiming

4104
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:10,960
data that's so far beyond the pale it's

4105
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:13,120
ridiculous and they're doing all of it

4106
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:15,519
to maintain some kind of

4107
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:21,030
return on investment that they need

4108
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:22,399
and

4109
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:26,800
we have a whole community that

4110
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:29,439
has this passive aggressive conversation

4111
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,599
on the undertone about who's doing what

4112
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:33,120
who's who in the zoo and who's treating

4113
02:19:35,990 --> 02:19:34,399
people poorly

4114
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:36,000
and then everybody turns around they go

4115
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,599
hey bob so good to be back on the show

4116
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:40,160
again and and what's new this week and

4117
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:41,519
it's because everybody's afraid of their

4118
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:43,679
reputation everybody's afraid you know

4119
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:45,200
they're all looking in their own they're

4120
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:46,719
looking at each all their neighbors

4121
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:48,160
bowls to see what they have in them

4122
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:49,200
instead of worrying about what's in

4123
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:51,040
their own bowl

4124
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:52,080
and

4125
02:19:55,750 --> 02:19:53,920
it gets tiresome i'm sorry this keeps

4126
02:19:57,990 --> 02:19:55,760
coming up but it's

4127
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:58,000
there's no accountability you know it's

4128
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:02,950
it's it's it's it's a situation where

4129
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,520
you have people who are are

4130
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:07,840
self-proclaimed experts and qualified

4131
02:20:13,349 --> 02:20:09,920
experts when they're certainly not

4132
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,359
uh and and who have been been shown in

4133
02:20:18,389 --> 02:20:15,600
the past to to

4134
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:18,399
to to be frauds and uh

4135
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,000
you know no one holds them accountable

4136
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:23,359
um they then they continue to sow

4137
02:20:28,150 --> 02:20:25,840
dissension and discord uh throughout the

4138
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:28,160
community and there's not there's not a

4139
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:29,280
whole lot of them but there's a few of

4140
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:31,439
these agent provocateurs

4141
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,600
and they're they're not held accountable

4142
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:35,520
um and they're allowed to continue to

4143
02:20:39,830 --> 02:20:37,680
spew their vile and their misinformation

4144
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:39,840
and and tarnish the reputation of people

4145
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:41,600
who really are engaged in this topic in

4146
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:43,760
a very serious manner and i think that's

4147
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:46,080
a problem i think until those people are

4148
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:47,680
held accountable

4149
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:48,800
we're going to continue to have this

4150
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:50,720
situation that we have now

4151
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:52,880
it's because people willing to kind of

4152
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:54,880
turn a blind eye and say well

4153
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:57,359
okay let's get it well at some point you

4154
02:21:01,510 --> 02:20:59,200
know people when they wonder why don't

4155
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:01,520
people take this topic seriously you got

4156
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:03,040
to look in the mirror at some point you

4157
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:05,760
got to say hey you know maybe

4158
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:07,600
maybe you're the problem maybe i'm the

4159
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:09,600
problem right and um

4160
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:11,359
it's it's hard to do you got it but but

4161
02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:12,880
holding people accountable and holding

4162
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:14,560
yourself accountable

4163
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:16,880
is i think very very important you know

4164
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:18,560
every time i make a mistake i try the

4165
02:21:22,389 --> 02:21:19,920
first time someone brings up to me and i

4166
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:22,399
try to get online hey guys listen

4167
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,000
i made a mistake you know let me let me

4168
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:26,560
clarify our caveat um we've got to hold

4169
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:28,000
ourselves accountable

4170
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:30,240
and i almost guarantee you if i can that

4171
02:21:33,670 --> 02:21:32,160
that that somewhere whether today or

4172
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:33,680
tomorrow or in the chat or whatever

4173
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,720
someone's going to say well why don't

4174
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:36,399
you just name the names and do the thing

4175
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:39,520
look i'm not here to hold people account

4176
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:41,840
i'm here to advance the conversation i

4177
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:43,600
don't if i start if you want me to hold

4178
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:44,960
people accountable cool we'll put the

4179
02:21:48,309 --> 02:21:46,720
whole conversation on hold while i go

4180
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:48,319
into a freaking legal slog for the next

4181
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:49,760
10 years of my life holding those people

4182
02:21:53,030 --> 02:21:52,160
accountable all by my damn self

4183
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:53,040
okay

4184
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:54,560
the audience needs to hold each other

4185
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,040
accountable self-policing our peers is

4186
02:22:00,870 --> 02:22:00,000
the first is the first part of of our of

4187
02:22:02,230 --> 02:22:00,880
our

4188
02:22:04,469 --> 02:22:02,240
society

4189
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:04,479
i mean come on even in the navy

4190
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,240
i was i was a master at arms i was a law

4191
02:22:10,630 --> 02:22:08,399
enforcement officer onboard a ship why

4192
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:10,640
did we need a law enforcement officer we

4193
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:12,080
had a leadership structure they should

4194
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:13,280
have been taking care of all these

4195
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,240
things

4196
02:22:18,389 --> 02:22:16,479
but in the end of the day we're all just

4197
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:18,399
humans we need we need police

4198
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:20,640
unfortunately at some level whole

4199
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:22,160
another societal argument i don't want

4200
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:24,000
to kill that crap off but

4201
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:27,120
um i just think we can

4202
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:30,399
what we're talking about here is is look

4203
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:32,640
there's p there's you don't need your

4204
02:22:36,710 --> 02:22:35,120
subject matter experts to be generalists

4205
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:36,720
you don't need your generalists to get

4206
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:38,800
mired in the minutia of the data they

4207
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:41,760
need to trust the the experts

4208
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:43,680
and in this case too we need to look to

4209
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:47,120
each other and go is this what we want

4210
02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:48,479
is this the community that we want to

4211
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:50,560
maintain or can we take a break from the

4212
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:52,160
constant daily drip

4213
02:22:56,309 --> 02:22:54,560
can we wait for things to develop

4214
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,319
and can we start figuring out

4215
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:58,319
outside of the subject matter experts

4216
02:23:01,830 --> 02:23:00,160
that we've appointed how do we feel

4217
02:23:03,429 --> 02:23:01,840
about this what do we really believe

4218
02:23:05,590 --> 02:23:03,439
what are our answers to these questions

4219
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:05,600
what do we think about holloman have we

4220
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:07,359
looked into it does it look like

4221
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:09,520
nonsense or not the next person who

4222
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:11,439
tells me you know the moon's hollow oh

4223
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:14,080
my god i i'm just like could you could

4224
02:23:18,870 --> 02:23:16,399
you start somewhere else with me besides

4225
02:23:20,710 --> 02:23:18,880
hey did you know the moon is hollow

4226
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:20,720
you know teach to show me that you've

4227
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:22,800
done your research and and we don't have

4228
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:24,560
a baseline for that

4229
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:26,240
so

4230
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:27,040
yeah

4231
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:28,720
let me jump in here too let me give you

4232
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:30,240
a real case scenario about holding

4233
02:23:35,270 --> 02:23:33,200
ourselves accountable okay um

4234
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:35,280
i don't have your chat on here but you

4235
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:36,560
know you ask

4236
02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:38,240
perfection point you ask sean and i to

4237
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:41,040
come on and and drink a beer for your

4238
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:44,560
show okay um so i thought it'd be fun to

4239
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:46,080
grab this now what you don't know in

4240
02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:47,439
your audience doesn't know that last

4241
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:49,040
night i emptied this out

4242
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:51,920
and i filled this with apple juice right

4243
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:53,680
so no i'm not going to drink on your

4244
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:56,240
show but if it helps the conversation

4245
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,680
everybody get going it'd be fun yeah

4246
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,520
sure go ahead i'll put a beer bottle in

4247
02:24:03,429 --> 02:24:01,280
bin but it was filled with apple juice

4248
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:03,439
that god's honest truth and of course

4249
02:24:07,670 --> 02:24:05,439
what do people people start accusing

4250
02:24:10,230 --> 02:24:07,680
instantly oh these guys are toasted

4251
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:10,240
they're sloshed this is my point

4252
02:24:15,429 --> 02:24:13,200
people are are so used to coming out

4253
02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:15,439
and just spewing crap

4254
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:17,680
when they don't know they have no clue

4255
02:24:21,270 --> 02:24:19,840
and they they spew it out as facts and

4256
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:21,280
then other people pick it up say oh that

4257
02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:22,560
must be right well they're they're

4258
02:24:26,309 --> 02:24:24,240
toasted you know what i have zero

4259
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:26,319
percent alcohol in my body right now

4260
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:28,319
zero i've been drinking coffee most of

4261
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:31,040
the time and apple juice

4262
02:24:33,830 --> 02:24:32,640
this is my point the problem with

4263
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:33,840
ufology

4264
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:35,600
and the all these people out there that

4265
02:24:39,510 --> 02:24:37,600
supposedly know [\h__\h] they don't know

4266
02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:39,520
anything and now of course oh look at

4267
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:41,760
louise yawning and he's he must be drunk

4268
02:24:46,389 --> 02:24:43,040
or toasted

4269
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:46,399
i am stone ass cold sober and it's it's

4270
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:47,600
this is

4271
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:50,080
you know so here's my my case in point

4272
02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:52,160
and and of course they don't know her

4273
02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:54,240
that you had asked us to come on your

4274
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:56,880
show and we'd all get relaxed and have a

4275
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:58,640
beer right well

4276
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:01,120
yeah okay sure it's a beer bottle but

4277
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:03,680
i'm not drinking beer and so

4278
02:25:08,469 --> 02:25:06,160
that's this is this is again i this is

4279
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:08,479
just a very small example of how

4280
02:25:13,349 --> 02:25:10,399
people who don't have all the

4281
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:13,359
information will jump to a conclusion

4282
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:16,000
as if they do have it and and then that

4283
02:25:19,830 --> 02:25:17,920
will pick up legs people pick it up and

4284
02:25:22,150 --> 02:25:19,840
say oh you think oh you're right oh my

4285
02:25:24,150 --> 02:25:22,160
gosh i want no part of that [\h__\h] i want

4286
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:24,160
no part of it that's exactly what is

4287
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:25,040
wrong

4288
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:27,840
with this community and i'm sorry i

4289
02:25:33,590 --> 02:25:29,760
don't want to be part of that i want to

4290
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:33,600
be part of of logic and and rationale i

4291
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:35,200
don't want to be part of speculation in

4292
02:25:39,910 --> 02:25:37,520
innuendos and i think or maybe or i'm

4293
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:39,920
not interested in that and this is my

4294
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:42,160
problem this is exactly why

4295
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:43,760
i'm frustrated with it because it's a

4296
02:25:47,429 --> 02:25:45,840
bunch of rank ass amateurs that aren't

4297
02:25:49,030 --> 02:25:47,439
helping the conversation now if you

4298
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:49,040
really want to help the conversation

4299
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:51,200
have the conversation with us and stop

4300
02:25:55,190 --> 02:25:53,439
speculating and stop trying to provide

4301
02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:55,200
false narratives that aren't there and

4302
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:56,880
they're not real well to me that's

4303
02:26:00,630 --> 02:25:59,040
entertainment and it's it's about time

4304
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:00,640
we left that entertainment to the people

4305
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:02,560
that want to entertain themselves

4306
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:03,840
agree i agree you're right it's

4307
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:05,600
entertainment i've experienced

4308
02:26:09,510 --> 02:26:07,760
like probably one percent of what you've

4309
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,520
all experienced and it's already

4310
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:11,520
it already hurts me i have a thin skin

4311
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:13,040
i'm not like you well as i was joking

4312
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:14,960
before i'm not a man like you all are

4313
02:26:18,830 --> 02:26:16,880
and so i've experienced

4314
02:26:20,230 --> 02:26:18,840
well i won't get into different

4315
02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:20,240
details about it

4316
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:22,000
or for anything else and some people

4317
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:23,920
thought that i planned what i said to

4318
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:25,760
linda molten how as a gotcha question

4319
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:26,960
and then they were saying well why don't

4320
02:26:30,389 --> 02:26:28,880
you interview other women i'm saying did

4321
02:26:32,790 --> 02:26:30,399
you not browse through the channel how

4322
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:32,800
about mathuna how about merrell kindet

4323
02:26:37,510 --> 02:26:35,359
how about sabine haasenfelder or

4324
02:26:38,870 --> 02:26:37,520
rebecca goldstein and so on

4325
02:26:40,710 --> 02:26:38,880
and then i feel like oh and then i'm

4326
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:40,720
justifying myself and then that makes it

4327
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:42,319
worse because it gives

4328
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:44,000
they don't see it as

4329
02:26:47,429 --> 02:26:45,200
as

4330
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:47,439
they're not terribly interested in

4331
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:49,120
um and i'm speaking extremely vaguely

4332
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:50,640
when i say they because some people are

4333
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:52,560
they actually just are questioning and

4334
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:53,840
maybe they're just incorrect and maybe

4335
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:55,600
they're passionate and and that's and

4336
02:26:59,590 --> 02:26:57,760
that's fine but some people

4337
02:27:03,429 --> 02:26:59,600
they want to get you and they probably

4338
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:03,439
already have a reason to dislike you

4339
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:05,359
well i'm also just speaking about myself

4340
02:27:09,910 --> 02:27:07,359
even though i'm using the word you

4341
02:27:11,590 --> 02:27:09,920
yeah but anyway yeah you're pretty aware

4342
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:11,600
i'm following i'm tracking continue

4343
02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:13,280
please yeah

4344
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:15,280
no it's not a pleasant place to be i

4345
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:17,520
don't like it and i

4346
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:19,600
it affects me deeply it affects me a bit

4347
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:22,479
too much like i get it linda

4348
02:27:26,950 --> 02:27:24,800
to an extent being pushed from both

4349
02:27:28,630 --> 02:27:26,960
sides by an angry mob

4350
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:28,640
there's an unfortunate aspect when you

4351
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:32,319
reach a certain level of exposure

4352
02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:33,920
uh unless you're going to put some kind

4353
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:36,560
of gestapo like filter on your on your

4354
02:27:39,990 --> 02:27:38,560
chats and things like that

4355
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:40,000
you're going to be exposed to people

4356
02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:41,920
that are going to do things like that

4357
02:27:44,950 --> 02:27:43,200
and

4358
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:44,960
i'm gonna i'm gonna bust your chops for

4359
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:46,080
saying you're not a man you're most

4360
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:47,920
certainly a man don't don't do that to

4361
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:49,760
yourself my friend

4362
02:27:52,309 --> 02:27:50,640
um

4363
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:52,319
but beyond that

4364
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:53,920
i'm gonna tell you something when i'd

4365
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:55,600
i'd rather have your thin skin because

4366
02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:57,280
mine's scarred over

4367
02:28:00,070 --> 02:27:59,359
i'm not i'm not

4368
02:28:00,950 --> 02:28:00,080
quite

4369
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:00,960
calm

4370
02:28:06,309 --> 02:28:03,840
i am i am i'm i'm beaten and bruised by

4371
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:06,319
this stuff i've had friends of mine

4372
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:08,080
people who are formerly my colleagues

4373
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:10,000
and my friends try to hurt myself and my

4374
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:11,840
family and dox me on the internet on

4375
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:13,840
4chan and put my personal information

4376
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:16,160
out there so my phone number is useless

4377
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:18,000
if i want to keep it

4378
02:28:21,670 --> 02:28:19,920
and i'm i'm not going to write an

4379
02:28:23,429 --> 02:28:21,680
article about that man and i don't want

4380
02:28:26,389 --> 02:28:23,439
to talk about that for too long on this

4381
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:26,399
show but i'm tired and i'm hurt

4382
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:28,560
and i'm going to keep working i just may

4383
02:28:33,190 --> 02:28:30,800
not keep doing it on a camera

4384
02:28:36,070 --> 02:28:34,469
and you've got you know at some point

4385
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:36,080
you've got to ask yourself too all of us

4386
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,240
do why are we doing this

4387
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:40,560
and if i'm able to

4388
02:28:44,309 --> 02:28:42,240
if it turns out maybe i'm doing it for

4389
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:44,319
the wrong reasons or the wrong people am

4390
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:45,920
i able to tailor that back and still

4391
02:28:50,870 --> 02:28:49,680
maintain my own integrity i hope so

4392
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:50,880
yeah

4393
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:53,920
and there's also this question that

4394
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:56,399
sometimes people or an accusation more

4395
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:57,920
than a question which is don't you have

4396
02:29:02,389 --> 02:29:00,319
a responsibility to do x

4397
02:29:04,150 --> 02:29:02,399
and usually those come from people who

4398
02:29:06,070 --> 02:29:04,160
don't have a large platform and they'll

4399
02:29:07,750 --> 02:29:06,080
say well look you have a large platform

4400
02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:07,760
so you have a responsibility to talk

4401
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:10,240
about x or to not talk about why

4402
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:11,280
and

4403
02:29:13,830 --> 02:29:12,800
that's so tricky

4404
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:13,840
because

4405
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:15,439
yeah who who determines my

4406
02:29:18,550 --> 02:29:16,800
responsibility

4407
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,560
right right right there's that and

4408
02:29:21,830 --> 02:29:20,080
outside of something that's legal like a

4409
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:21,840
signed document it's difficult to say

4410
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,520
that you're responsible for something

4411
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:25,200
although i do agree that most of the

4412
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:27,520
time whenever anyone lays that upon me i

4413
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:30,000
do think that i am responsible for most

4414
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:31,920
of what they say i am responsible for

4415
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,520
like i'm responsible

4416
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:35,120
for putting out positive and

4417
02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:37,040
constructive information i don't think i

4418
02:29:39,910 --> 02:29:38,319
am and i think i'm failing in my

4419
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:39,920
responsibility almost all of what they

4420
02:29:43,510 --> 02:29:41,439
say it's just that i don't know how to

4421
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,520
live up to all of that and i also feel

4422
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:45,439
like sometimes some people want me to

4423
02:29:48,309 --> 02:29:47,120
say yeah but this guest said so and so

4424
02:29:49,590 --> 02:29:48,319
and that's false and don't you want to

4425
02:29:50,550 --> 02:29:49,600
correct that and i would love actually

4426
02:29:52,469 --> 02:29:50,560
i'm thinking about putting in a

4427
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:52,479
corrections segment to the introductions

4428
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:53,760
of the videos

4429
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,319
but also at the same time if i spent my

4430
02:30:00,469 --> 02:29:58,720
time constantly correcting i feel like

4431
02:30:02,469 --> 02:30:00,479
then someone would say aren't you

4432
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:02,479
failing in your responsibility to

4433
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:05,359
provide new information now so there are

4434
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:06,800
opportunity costs associated with the

4435
02:30:10,790 --> 02:30:08,960
responsibility and it's almost i feel

4436
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:10,800
like every individual has infinite

4437
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,479
responsibility so that's why i feel like

4438
02:30:15,510 --> 02:30:14,560
what they're saying is true and i i just

4439
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:15,520
say that i'm failing at my

4440
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:17,120
responsibility i don't know what else to

4441
02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:18,880
do about that other than to follow my

4442
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:21,280
own curiosity and to try to be honest

4443
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:23,040
and earnest and that's what i try to do

4444
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:24,319
and that's why some of these questions

4445
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,000
i'm asking you you see what's wrong with

4446
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:28,240
them but for me i'm such a newcomer that

4447
02:30:31,510 --> 02:30:30,240
i'm like what's a big deal about this

4448
02:30:33,190 --> 02:30:31,520
question i think about these questions

4449
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:33,200
all the time so i'm just trying to be

4450
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:35,520
honest and earnest and and hopefully

4451
02:30:39,110 --> 02:30:37,600
loving at the same time

4452
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:39,120
that's all i can do is follow my own

4453
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:40,560
interests

4454
02:30:44,309 --> 02:30:42,000
i know sean's going to jump in here in a

4455
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:44,319
second let me just say real quick

4456
02:30:48,150 --> 02:30:45,439
kurt first of all you're doing a great

4457
02:30:50,389 --> 02:30:48,160
job second of all don't forget everybody

4458
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:50,399
loves a show okay um there's a reason

4459
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:52,720
why gladiator fights were so successful

4460
02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:54,800
in rome uh part of it was a control

4461
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:56,399
mechanism to control the masses right

4462
02:31:01,030 --> 02:30:58,240
give them circus give them bread

4463
02:31:03,270 --> 02:31:01,040
um human beings are for whatever reason

4464
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:03,280
attracted to conflict um i don't know

4465
02:31:06,309 --> 02:31:04,080
why

4466
02:31:08,790 --> 02:31:06,319
uh it's it's something that it may be

4467
02:31:10,630 --> 02:31:08,800
deep in our dna uh maybe it's part of

4468
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:10,640
the reptilian brain no pun intended but

4469
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:12,240
you know something that for whatever

4470
02:31:15,270 --> 02:31:14,000
reason why we may be watching watch

4471
02:31:17,270 --> 02:31:15,280
monday night football because we like

4472
02:31:18,309 --> 02:31:17,280
that head-to-head competition or boxing

4473
02:31:20,309 --> 02:31:18,319
or whatever

4474
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:20,319
it is um

4475
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:21,680
you know peop

4476
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:24,560
conflict seems to be an innate part of

4477
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:27,200
of the human species and

4478
02:31:29,990 --> 02:31:28,080
whether

4479
02:31:32,070 --> 02:31:30,000
we realize or not even when we're having

4480
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:32,080
an intellectual conversation like this

4481
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:33,840
there are bound to be people that want

4482
02:31:38,630 --> 02:31:35,840
to see conflict whether it's conflict of

4483
02:31:40,710 --> 02:31:38,640
ideas or conflict of morals or conflict

4484
02:31:43,349 --> 02:31:40,720
of whatever principles

4485
02:31:45,429 --> 02:31:43,359
and and i think we see that i think we

4486
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:45,439
see where we have my team versus your

4487
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:46,319
team

4488
02:31:49,349 --> 02:31:47,520
and you know

4489
02:31:51,910 --> 02:31:49,359
at the end of the gladiator fight thumbs

4490
02:31:52,790 --> 02:31:51,920
up or thumbs down yay or nay right and

4491
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:52,800
um

4492
02:31:56,389 --> 02:31:54,640
you will see it in the academic and

4493
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:56,399
scientific communities when people are

4494
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:58,000
proposing theories and there's this

4495
02:32:01,429 --> 02:31:59,520
fierce debate where people take it

4496
02:32:03,030 --> 02:32:01,439
personally you see it on the floors of

4497
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:03,040
congress when people are debating there

4498
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:04,080
you see it

4499
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,680
right here right now we're living

4500
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:07,520
through this and and

4501
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:09,520
we don't even realize we're engaged in

4502
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:11,840
this type of activity because it's it's

4503
02:32:17,349 --> 02:32:14,640
it's so human

4504
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:17,359
part of us to to to seek out this

4505
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:18,640
conflict

4506
02:32:21,030 --> 02:32:19,600
when

4507
02:32:23,670 --> 02:32:21,040
you know people like sean have been

4508
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:23,680
really helping people like me

4509
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:26,720
try to step back you know from from that

4510
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:28,479
because look my entire profession was

4511
02:32:32,469 --> 02:32:30,560
conflict right let's face it

4512
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:32,479
government military intelligence your

4513
02:32:37,510 --> 02:32:35,439
job is to to out think the enemy and win

4514
02:32:38,469 --> 02:32:37,520
and let's face it the you know the the

4515
02:32:45,510 --> 02:32:38,479
war

4516
02:32:48,309 --> 02:32:45,520
and they kill you it's a very violent

4517
02:32:51,510 --> 02:32:48,319
brutal act and so it is part of what we

4518
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:51,520
are as a species but let us recognize it

4519
02:32:57,750 --> 02:32:54,240
and let us control it rather than it

4520
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:57,760
allowing it to control us would be my

4521
02:33:00,469 --> 02:32:59,200
my suggestion and of course that's a

4522
02:33:01,990 --> 02:33:00,479
topic for a whole another discussion at

4523
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:02,000
some point maybe down in the future but

4524
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:03,120
how do we

4525
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:07,120
this this

4526
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:09,040
this self

4527
02:33:12,870 --> 02:33:10,399
generated

4528
02:33:15,190 --> 02:33:12,880
conflict and rise above it

4529
02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:15,200
so sean what do you think

4530
02:33:18,790 --> 02:33:17,040
i just wanted to say to you man that i

4531
02:33:20,389 --> 02:33:18,800
really feel something you said because i

4532
02:33:22,150 --> 02:33:20,399
heard it in your voice and i saw it in

4533
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:22,160
your face

4534
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,600
that people are telling you that you've

4535
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:25,520
been that you've been um

4536
02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:28,160
that you have a responsibility now i

4537
02:33:32,830 --> 02:33:29,840
mean i want to break that down

4538
02:33:34,870 --> 02:33:32,840
we're saying you have you're holding a

4539
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:34,880
responsibility and i say no you haven't

4540
02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:36,160
responsibility comes first of all

4541
02:33:40,389 --> 02:33:38,960
responsibility is taken it's not given

4542
02:33:43,270 --> 02:33:40,399
it's taken

4543
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:43,280
you've been offered opportunities

4544
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:44,640
these people see that you've been

4545
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:46,160
offered opportunities and they feel a

4546
02:33:50,070 --> 02:33:48,720
certain amount of righteous jealousy

4547
02:33:51,990 --> 02:33:50,080
towards you

4548
02:33:54,469 --> 02:33:52,000
and they they're saying to you i'm not

4549
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:54,479
strong enough to do this somehow you've

4550
02:34:00,150 --> 02:33:56,399
won this lottery so you have a

4551
02:34:01,670 --> 02:34:00,160
responsibility to carry out how i feel

4552
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:01,680
in my stead

4553
02:34:05,110 --> 02:34:02,960
[\h__\h]

4554
02:34:07,030 --> 02:34:05,120
you've been offered an opportunity your

4555
02:34:08,950 --> 02:34:07,040
heart tells you where you're going to

4556
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:08,960
take responsibility

4557
02:34:11,910 --> 02:34:10,479
and then you give your whole heart to it

4558
02:34:14,230 --> 02:34:11,920
you give your whole acumen to it

4559
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:14,240
nobody's superman nobody has everything

4560
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:15,520
covered

4561
02:34:18,630 --> 02:34:16,800
you know what i mean so you have you

4562
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:18,640
have to do what what's what's best for

4563
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,479
you and you can't let you can't let

4564
02:34:24,790 --> 02:34:22,479
people tell you

4565
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:24,800
you have a responsibility what is this

4566
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:26,720
where is it is this is it on the counter

4567
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:28,240
or is it is it hanging up with the coats

4568
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,520
because i missed it when i walked in i

4569
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:30,960
found my jeans my wallet but not my

4570
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:32,640
responsibility

4571
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:34,160
you know so pardon me from being kind of

4572
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:35,760
smart out there but

4573
02:34:39,429 --> 02:34:37,439
but i see that you're under you're under

4574
02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:39,439
the same kind of strain that we are man

4575
02:34:43,030 --> 02:34:41,760
you you and and you may walk in front of

4576
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:43,040
the mirror and say i have a

4577
02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:44,640
responsibility

4578
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,840
nobody else should be telling you you

4579
02:34:50,630 --> 02:34:47,280
have a responsibility besides your

4580
02:34:54,309 --> 02:34:52,469
i agree with that and kurt listen it's

4581
02:34:55,750 --> 02:34:54,319
this is something that

4582
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:55,760
you're probably going to face a lot more

4583
02:35:00,389 --> 02:34:56,960
than

4584
02:35:02,070 --> 02:35:00,399
and this goes for anybody in your

4585
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:02,080
audience too that's under something

4586
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:04,240
similar okay so this advice isn't just

4587
02:35:08,550 --> 02:35:06,240
for for you kurt and as you know i don't

4588
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:08,560
offer advice very often

4589
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:10,880
um and it's advice i have to give myself

4590
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:12,160
and sean has to give me and close

4591
02:35:15,270 --> 02:35:13,359
friends who might have to give me

4592
02:35:17,590 --> 02:35:15,280
constantly and my family

4593
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:17,600
um at the end of the day

4594
02:35:21,510 --> 02:35:19,840
you know

4595
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,520
you're doing what you feel in your heart

4596
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:22,880
is right

4597
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:24,160
and

4598
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:26,080
people are going to ascribe all sorts of

4599
02:35:29,429 --> 02:35:27,600
things and by the way there are some bad

4600
02:35:31,429 --> 02:35:29,439
people in this world believe me i've

4601
02:35:32,790 --> 02:35:31,439
i've i've met some of them on the wrong

4602
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:32,800
end of a gun

4603
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:34,560
there are truly some some bad people in

4604
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:36,240
the world and they will

4605
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:37,920
uh whether they're on the battlefield or

4606
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:40,160
in cyberspace they will they will make

4607
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:42,240
themselves known and they will do

4608
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:44,960
whatever they can to hurt you

4609
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:46,800
um and this goes for people in your

4610
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:48,080
audience who are experiencing the same

4611
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,359
thing there they know there are people

4612
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:51,520
out there that want to hurt them

4613
02:35:55,429 --> 02:35:53,600
the question is why what are these

4614
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:55,439
individuals out there that are trying to

4615
02:36:00,389 --> 02:35:57,040
hurt people what are what is their

4616
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:00,399
deficiency what are they missing inside

4617
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:03,280
that causes them to have so much hatred

4618
02:36:08,309 --> 02:36:05,520
towards other individuals is it jealousy

4619
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:08,319
is it pride and ego is it a lack of of

4620
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,359
someone maybe early on in their life

4621
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:13,600
giving them the attention or or the

4622
02:36:17,670 --> 02:36:15,840
emotional fulfillment that they need or

4623
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,680
the acknowledgement right who knows i

4624
02:36:21,830 --> 02:36:19,920
mean there's a lot of damaged units out

4625
02:36:24,389 --> 02:36:21,840
there

4626
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:24,399
i try to not confuse the difference

4627
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:25,680
between humans which i don't

4628
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:28,399
particularly like and humanity i often

4629
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:30,000
tell people you know it's i love

4630
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:31,760
humanity it's humans i don't like very

4631
02:36:36,230 --> 02:36:32,880
much

4632
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:36,240
there's an old saying by mel tormey and

4633
02:36:40,070 --> 02:36:38,240
this is probably why i have so many dogs

4634
02:36:43,110 --> 02:36:40,080
he said the more i get to know people

4635
02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:43,120
the more i like dogs um and i kind of i

4636
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,800
kind of understand that but at the same

4637
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:46,240
time it's also not fair for me to throw

4638
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:47,840
the baby out with a bath water there's a

4639
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:49,040
lot of people right now that are

4640
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:50,960
probably listening to to your show that

4641
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:52,960
are generally just really good people

4642
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:54,560
and they just want to know man they just

4643
02:36:58,150 --> 02:36:56,880
wanted to hey look i'm just getting into

4644
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:58,160
this i'm just hearing this for the first

4645
02:37:01,910 --> 02:37:00,479
time is this [\h__\h] real you know they

4646
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:01,920
just want to know that

4647
02:37:05,349 --> 02:37:03,200
um

4648
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:05,359
so you know my i guess my word of advice

4649
02:37:08,309 --> 02:37:06,720
to you curtis keep doing what you're

4650
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:08,319
doing and and

4651
02:37:13,750 --> 02:37:11,439
you know have the courage to to face

4652
02:37:15,030 --> 02:37:13,760
um

4653
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:15,040
the bad people

4654
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:16,800
and and call them out for what they are

4655
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:18,560
not in a mean way not to hurt them not

4656
02:37:21,190 --> 02:37:19,920
to do to them what they're trying to do

4657
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:21,200
to you

4658
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:24,720
but simply to to to

4659
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:27,439
acknowledge that for what it is and and

4660
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:28,960
then hopefully continue doing what you

4661
02:37:31,750 --> 02:37:30,479
do for the betterment of everybody else

4662
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:31,760
who really just

4663
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:33,280
wants answers they enjoy being with you

4664
02:37:36,070 --> 02:37:34,560
they enjoy spending their time with you

4665
02:37:37,910 --> 02:37:36,080
listening to you and your guests on the

4666
02:37:39,590 --> 02:37:37,920
show and they just want to learn

4667
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:39,600
you got to remember to do it for them

4668
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:40,960
and by the way i have to take my own

4669
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:42,720
advice too so i'm not immune to that

4670
02:37:45,110 --> 02:37:44,000
there's days that i say you know screw

4671
02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:45,120
it these people aren't worth it they're

4672
02:37:49,110 --> 02:37:47,280
not worth it you know truth and freedom

4673
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:49,120
and all that stuff they'll never evolve

4674
02:37:53,270 --> 02:37:51,520
to deserve it and then i got to call

4675
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:53,280
myself off the ledge and say okay

4676
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:55,200
actually you know what they do

4677
02:37:59,429 --> 02:37:56,880
and i'm just pissed off because a few

4678
02:38:02,710 --> 02:37:59,439
people that are jerks happen to have the

4679
02:38:05,830 --> 02:38:02,720
loud voice when in reality you know

4680
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:05,840
most of the most of the of the majority

4681
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:08,240
is silent most of the good people are

4682
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:10,560
silent it's it's the it's the agitators

4683
02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:12,640
that make most of the noise

4684
02:38:17,990 --> 02:38:15,760
but in reality most of the people aren't

4685
02:38:20,309 --> 02:38:18,000
that way and and i have to remind myself

4686
02:38:22,150 --> 02:38:20,319
of that

4687
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:22,160
for the people who are wondering hey i

4688
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:24,640
thought this was a conversation about

4689
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,280
ufos well in some ways this last hour

4690
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:29,840
has been a meta conversation about ufos

4691
02:38:33,349 --> 02:38:31,120
because it's about the conversation

4692
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:33,359
about ufos much like when the physics

4693
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:35,680
community or some subset of the physics

4694
02:38:40,070 --> 02:38:37,920
community criticizes string theory

4695
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:40,080
because it's taken the lion's share of

4696
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:42,080
the money well that's not a science

4697
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:43,359
conversation per se it's a meta

4698
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:44,800
scientific conversation because it's

4699
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:46,240
about well how we're going to divide

4700
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:47,280
this up

4701
02:38:50,070 --> 02:38:48,000
and

4702
02:38:51,349 --> 02:38:50,080
there's plenty of conflict in this ufo

4703
02:38:53,349 --> 02:38:51,359
community but i know that you said

4704
02:38:55,270 --> 02:38:53,359
they're bad people i consider myself as

4705
02:38:57,190 --> 02:38:55,280
a part of that group and some people

4706
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:57,200
would say well kurt you're ingenuous but

4707
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:58,720
yeah but they don't see the malevolence

4708
02:39:01,750 --> 02:39:00,960
and the egotism and the covetousness and

4709
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:01,760
the

4710
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:07,280
you hear that you're you're facing it

4711
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:09,760
there's a difference see you you you are

4712
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:11,600
recognizing the fact that you're human

4713
02:39:17,349 --> 02:39:14,479
like the rest of us and we are all up

4714
02:39:19,190 --> 02:39:17,359
subject to to weakness that's what makes

4715
02:39:21,349 --> 02:39:19,200
us human it's okay

4716
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:21,359
but acknowledge it don't you don't i

4717
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:23,359
don't see you throwing stones as other

4718
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:25,840
people i see you actually embracing that

4719
02:39:29,670 --> 02:39:27,439
part of you and saying look

4720
02:39:31,910 --> 02:39:29,680
i'm human and this is what i do and that

4721
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:31,920
is that's humility and humbleness that's

4722
02:39:37,110 --> 02:39:34,319
not a bad trait that's a strength not a

4723
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:37,120
weakness you just exhibited the fact

4724
02:39:41,110 --> 02:39:39,600
that you that you can heal from anything

4725
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:41,120
you literally

4726
02:39:44,230 --> 02:39:42,560
the last thing in the world that a

4727
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:44,240
narcissist can do

4728
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:46,000
is question them themselves about

4729
02:39:49,429 --> 02:39:48,080
possibly being a narcissist

4730
02:39:52,389 --> 02:39:49,439
the moment you step in front of the

4731
02:39:54,870 --> 02:39:52,399
mirror and you go am i the cloudy day

4732
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:54,880
that's dude that is such

4733
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:57,040
such a a a

4734
02:40:00,309 --> 02:39:58,399
an accomplishment

4735
02:40:02,070 --> 02:40:00,319
just considering hey am i the a-hole

4736
02:40:03,670 --> 02:40:02,080
here

4737
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:03,680
yeah if you're considering it maybe you

4738
02:40:07,349 --> 02:40:04,960
were and that means maybe you can

4739
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:07,359
overcome it and then but later on when

4740
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:08,640
you get down the road and you find the

4741
02:40:12,150 --> 02:40:10,080
folks that can't find the mirror in the

4742
02:40:13,110 --> 02:40:12,160
house but are somehow always looking at

4743
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:13,120
it

4744
02:40:16,150 --> 02:40:14,319
um

4745
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,160
those folks are on a different plane

4746
02:40:20,150 --> 02:40:18,720
somehow i don't understand it but you're

4747
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:20,160
you're not there man

4748
02:40:23,270 --> 02:40:21,439
you're considering yourself that and

4749
02:40:25,190 --> 02:40:23,280
don't stop don't be too hard on yourself

4750
02:40:26,710 --> 02:40:25,200
but bro

4751
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:26,720
the fact that you would turn around that

4752
02:40:30,389 --> 02:40:28,800
quick and be like hey i'm a human being

4753
02:40:31,590 --> 02:40:30,399
just like these people i'm accusing of

4754
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:31,600
being human

4755
02:40:34,550 --> 02:40:32,880
that's all it is

4756
02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:34,560
it's it's the grace we give each other

4757
02:40:37,670 --> 02:40:36,240
after that moment of self-awareness that

4758
02:40:39,349 --> 02:40:37,680
defines us

4759
02:40:41,030 --> 02:40:39,359
kurt that's a superpower the fact that

4760
02:40:41,990 --> 02:40:41,040
you can you can look at yourself in the

4761
02:40:43,990 --> 02:40:42,000
mirror

4762
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:44,000
and say you know what

4763
02:40:46,389 --> 02:40:45,680
i don't like necessarily everything i

4764
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:46,399
see

4765
02:40:49,510 --> 02:40:47,760
and you know

4766
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,520
i i probably need to change some things

4767
02:40:53,510 --> 02:40:51,439
that that's that's not a fault brother

4768
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:53,520
that that's a blessing and

4769
02:40:56,469 --> 02:40:55,359
you know i think we all we're all better

4770
02:40:58,710 --> 02:40:56,479
off for it when we can look in the

4771
02:41:00,790 --> 02:40:58,720
mirror and say you know what sometimes i

4772
02:41:02,550 --> 02:41:00,800
am weak sometimes i am selfish sometimes

4773
02:41:04,230 --> 02:41:02,560
i am petty sometimes i you know fill in

4774
02:41:05,429 --> 02:41:04,240
a blank whatever

4775
02:41:07,910 --> 02:41:05,439
issue it is

4776
02:41:09,990 --> 02:41:07,920
um the problem are for those individuals

4777
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:10,000
who can't do that whether they're they

4778
02:41:13,190 --> 02:41:12,080
they truly are sociopathic individuals

4779
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:13,200
or they suffer from some sort of

4780
02:41:18,469 --> 02:41:16,479
personality disorder or narcissism um

4781
02:41:20,230 --> 02:41:18,479
that's the problem that because because

4782
02:41:22,230 --> 02:41:20,240
then there is no help because they they

4783
02:41:23,910 --> 02:41:22,240
they will never be able to self reflect

4784
02:41:26,230 --> 02:41:23,920
and change

4785
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:26,240
when ultimately that is the journey for

4786
02:41:31,510 --> 02:41:28,319
all of us we are we're we're all brought

4787
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:31,520
into an imperfect world and and you know

4788
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:33,120
hopefully we leave this world better

4789
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:35,680
than than we found it and that's really

4790
02:41:39,190 --> 02:41:37,680
you know in order to do that you have to

4791
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:39,200
recognize that

4792
02:41:42,070 --> 02:41:40,160
hey

4793
02:41:43,910 --> 02:41:42,080
i'm not perfect you know and and i'm

4794
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:43,920
going to make a lot of bonehead mistakes

4795
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:45,600
i'm going to hold myself accountable i'm

4796
02:41:49,510 --> 02:41:47,840
not going to flog myself necessarily but

4797
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:49,520
but i will hold myself accountable and

4798
02:41:53,030 --> 02:41:51,120
truly learn the lesson and when i make a

4799
02:41:54,469 --> 02:41:53,040
mistake i'll be damned if i make that

4800
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:54,479
same mistake again i'm not going to say

4801
02:41:57,030 --> 02:41:55,680
i'm never going to make mistakes so i'm

4802
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:57,040
going to make mistakes all the time i'm

4803
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:58,880
human and i will that's just part of the

4804
02:42:02,630 --> 02:42:00,160
human condition

4805
02:42:04,230 --> 02:42:02,640
but learn from those men and don't

4806
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:04,240
repeat the same mistake and have the

4807
02:42:07,349 --> 02:42:06,240
courage most importantly to stand in

4808
02:42:10,150 --> 02:42:07,359
front of the mirror and say you know

4809
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:10,160
what i don't like that about you

4810
02:42:13,429 --> 02:42:11,600
that's that's a weakness you need to

4811
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:13,439
change you need to work on it

4812
02:42:17,270 --> 02:42:16,080
um that that to me is a strength not not

4813
02:42:18,870 --> 02:42:17,280
a weakness at all if you have the

4814
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:18,880
ability to do that curt and clearly

4815
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:21,040
clearly you do i appreciate that i think

4816
02:42:24,469 --> 02:42:23,040
it's overly complimentary i don't know

4817
02:42:25,429 --> 02:42:24,479
if i deserve all that but thank you so

4818
02:42:27,590 --> 02:42:25,439
much

4819
02:42:29,429 --> 02:42:27,600
and i also think that

4820
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:29,439
you know this whole hating of humans i

4821
02:42:32,630 --> 02:42:30,640
know you said it glibly like hating

4822
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:32,640
humans loving humanity seinfeld has a

4823
02:42:35,910 --> 02:42:34,240
comment about that too

4824
02:42:37,830 --> 02:42:35,920
i don't know if that's possible that's

4825
02:42:39,510 --> 02:42:37,840
something i used to believe too i don't

4826
02:42:42,070 --> 02:42:39,520
know if it's possible to dislike a

4827
02:42:45,110 --> 02:42:42,080
subset and like the whole i think that

4828
02:42:47,270 --> 02:42:45,120
somehow the view that one has for a tiny

4829
02:42:49,510 --> 02:42:47,280
object or a tiny subset

4830
02:42:51,670 --> 02:42:49,520
is somehow reflected in the whole and i

4831
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:51,680
think that somehow i know this sounds so

4832
02:42:57,270 --> 02:42:55,120
hulky man but i think that somehow

4833
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:57,280
maybe our purpose maybe this all sounds

4834
02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:58,080
so

4835
02:43:01,270 --> 02:42:58,800
woo

4836
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:01,280
go for it man go for it and peculiar but

4837
02:43:06,309 --> 02:43:04,160
maybe it's it's to meet hate with love

4838
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:06,319
and to love even those that

4839
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:07,120
you

4840
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:09,120
at least initially despise even if

4841
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:10,560
they're oppressing you you love your

4842
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:12,080
oppressors and even if they're wrong in

4843
02:43:15,910 --> 02:43:14,000
you you love them i think that somehow

4844
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:15,920
that's extremely integral

4845
02:43:19,510 --> 02:43:17,680
i think if you can do that that's

4846
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:19,520
fantastic those are the life lessons

4847
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:20,960
that some of the great people that have

4848
02:43:23,750 --> 02:43:22,560
walked this earth before us have tried

4849
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:23,760
to preach

4850
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:25,600
we don't always practice it you know i

4851
02:43:28,389 --> 02:43:26,880
will tell you i don't know if i agree

4852
02:43:29,830 --> 02:43:28,399
necessarily that in order to love the

4853
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:29,840
whole you have to love the constituent

4854
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:31,600
parts there are many examples in reality

4855
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:32,319
where

4856
02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:34,080
there are children that are born out of

4857
02:43:38,070 --> 02:43:36,240
a horrible situation whether it's rape

4858
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:38,080
or something else and the child is a

4859
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:40,560
wonderful loving child but the situation

4860
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:42,319
that created the circumstances that

4861
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:43,760
brought that child into this world were

4862
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:46,080
less undesirable and you don't have to

4863
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:46,960
love

4864
02:43:50,790 --> 02:43:48,080
you know

4865
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:50,800
the the act of of of that in order to

4866
02:43:55,190 --> 02:43:52,880
love the end result of that

4867
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:55,200
um that's just my opinion you know there

4868
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:57,840
there's i've witnessed in in within two

4869
02:44:01,190 --> 02:43:59,359
minutes of each other the best and worst

4870
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:01,200
humanity has to offer

4871
02:44:05,269 --> 02:44:03,200
and there are elements of our species

4872
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:05,279
that i really despise and by the way i'm

4873
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:06,720
subject to the same thing so i'm not i'm

4874
02:44:11,670 --> 02:44:08,880
not go pointing my finger saying you

4875
02:44:13,750 --> 02:44:11,680
humanity i'm saying hey i don't know

4876
02:44:16,469 --> 02:44:13,760
yeah um

4877
02:44:19,030 --> 02:44:16,479
but i i i do think that

4878
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:19,040
collectively you know for the reason why

4879
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:20,880
i and i can't answer for anybody else or

4880
02:44:23,429 --> 02:44:22,080
speak for anybody else the reason why i

4881
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:23,439
do what i do

4882
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:26,399
is because it's those two minutes of

4883
02:44:29,750 --> 02:44:28,479
beauty that i've seen the human species

4884
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:29,760
capable of

4885
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:33,200
destruction towards each other but we

4886
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:35,279
are also capable of such kindness and

4887
02:44:41,190 --> 02:44:37,760
beauty and that to me is worth saving

4888
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:41,200
that is why i do what i do because

4889
02:44:46,389 --> 02:44:43,920
those moments those few precious moments

4890
02:44:48,469 --> 02:44:46,399
you know all of heaven all angels sing

4891
02:44:51,269 --> 02:44:48,479
when when a good act is done

4892
02:44:53,349 --> 02:44:51,279
uh and and rejoice and it's it's for

4893
02:44:55,910 --> 02:44:53,359
that that is worth saving the species

4894
02:44:58,230 --> 02:44:55,920
for that's what makes us so wonderful

4895
02:45:01,030 --> 02:44:58,240
um unfortunately we are also our own

4896
02:45:03,030 --> 02:45:01,040
devils and and we we do things that are

4897
02:45:04,630 --> 02:45:03,040
very destructive towards each other and

4898
02:45:06,070 --> 02:45:04,640
ourselves

4899
02:45:08,389 --> 02:45:06,080
um and that's just part of the human

4900
02:45:09,750 --> 02:45:08,399
condition i think that's

4901
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:09,760
that's probably

4902
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:11,359
normal in fact maybe that's one of the

4903
02:45:17,030 --> 02:45:13,600
reasons why we're here perhaps

4904
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:17,040
is to learn to rise above it um you know

4905
02:45:19,990 --> 02:45:18,319
there are certainly certain religions

4906
02:45:21,349 --> 02:45:20,000
that feel that way that you know we're

4907
02:45:22,710 --> 02:45:21,359
going to continue coming back over and

4908
02:45:23,670 --> 02:45:22,720
over again until we finally learn our

4909
02:45:25,510 --> 02:45:23,680
lesson

4910
02:45:27,750 --> 02:45:25,520
um you know maybe that's the natural

4911
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:27,760
order of things i i don't know but

4912
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:28,800
i

4913
02:45:39,429 --> 02:45:37,439
and we have to

4914
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:39,439
we have to be willing to hold each other

4915
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,520
and ourselves accountable and that's

4916
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:43,680
that's the life lesson

4917
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:45,760
thank you all for

4918
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:47,680
for coming out to this i appreciate it

4919
02:45:50,469 --> 02:45:48,399
it

4920
02:45:51,830 --> 02:45:50,479
took an interesting turn and i hope a

4921
02:45:53,910 --> 02:45:51,840
productive one

4922
02:45:56,150 --> 02:45:53,920
i think so there was a time in about a

4923
02:45:58,070 --> 02:45:56,160
month ago or so or two months ago when

4924
02:45:59,349 --> 02:45:58,080
on twitter i was realizing that there's

4925
02:46:00,950 --> 02:45:59,359
plenty of hate and i'm not saying i'm

4926
02:46:03,190 --> 02:46:00,960
immune from this hate like if people saw

4927
02:46:05,110 --> 02:46:03,200
what occurs in my mind i think people

4928
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:05,120
will be extremely surprised

4929
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:09,600
at the egotism and selfishness and so on

4930
02:46:13,269 --> 02:46:11,600
well there is there i wouldn't say

4931
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:13,279
competing factions in the ufo content

4932
02:46:16,630 --> 02:46:15,200
creator community but there are

4933
02:46:17,910 --> 02:46:16,640
different beefs

4934
02:46:19,670 --> 02:46:17,920
and i thought you know it'd be great if

4935
02:46:21,429 --> 02:46:19,680
we could all why don't we all just put

4936
02:46:23,510 --> 02:46:21,439
that aside and just have

4937
02:46:24,630 --> 02:46:23,520
beer even though i'm drinking tea but

4938
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:24,640
have beer

4939
02:46:27,349 --> 02:46:25,439
and

4940
02:46:29,910 --> 02:46:27,359
be on a collective zoom call just put

4941
02:46:31,750 --> 02:46:29,920
aside extend the olive branch

4942
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:31,760
so while this conversation may seem like

4943
02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:34,160
it has nothing to do with ufos maybe

4944
02:46:38,150 --> 02:46:35,840
maybe but maybe it's an it's a more

4945
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:38,160
important conversation because it it

4946
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:39,600
deals with what gives birth to the

4947
02:46:43,750 --> 02:46:41,760
conversations about ufos

4948
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:43,760
kurt how can you honestly have a

4949
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:46,319
question and and a conversation and

4950
02:46:49,590 --> 02:46:47,600
answers

4951
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:49,600
about

4952
02:46:55,349 --> 02:46:52,560
potentially one of the most existential

4953
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:55,359
issues facing our species

4954
02:47:00,790 --> 02:46:58,479
if we don't even understand ourselves

4955
02:47:01,510 --> 02:47:00,800
how do you possibly expect

4956
02:47:02,870 --> 02:47:01,520
to

4957
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:02,880
understand

4958
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:04,960
someone or something else or another

4959
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:07,520
species if we don't even understand how

4960
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:08,640
we work

4961
02:47:13,349 --> 02:47:11,120
they are the same you if you want this

4962
02:47:14,630 --> 02:47:13,359
is why i kind of and i'll i'll

4963
02:47:16,469 --> 02:47:14,640
just share with you now the reason why i

4964
02:47:18,790 --> 02:47:16,479
said look you ask your my number one

4965
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:18,800
advice understanding ufos go hug your

4966
02:47:22,389 --> 02:47:20,560
kid and go hug your family

4967
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:22,399
because that's where it starts that's

4968
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:23,920
where it starts it doesn't start reading

4969
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:25,840
a book it doesn't start with having a

4970
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:28,319
conversation or podcast it starts here

4971
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:31,439
starts here right now reaching out and

4972
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:32,880
understanding

4973
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:36,640
who you are as an individual and and and

4974
02:47:41,269 --> 02:47:38,160
what you are

4975
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:41,279
and what is meaningful in life

4976
02:47:44,870 --> 02:47:42,960
that's where that journey begins it

4977
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:44,880
doesn't start out there it starts in

4978
02:47:47,590 --> 02:47:46,240
here right here

4979
02:47:49,429 --> 02:47:47,600
that's how you have to make that journey

4980
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:49,439
the very first step to understanding out

4981
02:47:53,830 --> 02:47:52,000
there is first understanding right here

4982
02:47:55,750 --> 02:47:53,840
and what's here

4983
02:47:56,950 --> 02:47:55,760
and and this is why i said what i did

4984
02:47:58,389 --> 02:47:56,960
without you know going into a lot of

4985
02:48:00,550 --> 02:47:58,399
detail earlier because it sounds kind of

4986
02:48:02,630 --> 02:48:00,560
kind of i know a little mushy but

4987
02:48:04,070 --> 02:48:02,640
but i mean it and sean will tell you how

4988
02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:04,080
many times have we over the years had

4989
02:48:08,550 --> 02:48:06,560
this conversation

4990
02:48:10,389 --> 02:48:08,560
there's there's no shortcut you can't

4991
02:48:11,990 --> 02:48:10,399
just all of a sudden have a shortcut and

4992
02:48:13,750 --> 02:48:12,000
boom now i understand you know the

4993
02:48:15,030 --> 02:48:13,760
secrets of the universe you first have

4994
02:48:17,429 --> 02:48:15,040
to try to understand the secrets of

4995
02:48:20,230 --> 02:48:17,439
yourself that you've been keeping hidden

4996
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:20,240
from yourself and others and only then

4997
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:22,080
when you understand that will you be

4998
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:23,840
able to even begin to ask the right

4999
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:26,240
questions to understand what lies beyond

5000
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:27,279
they're going to say oh i thought you're

5001
02:48:30,950 --> 02:48:29,439
about science nuts and bolts and

5002
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:30,960
evidence and all this that and it's like

5003
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:32,399
but hold on a minute i can tell you're

5004
02:48:35,990 --> 02:48:34,880
not even here right now

5005
02:48:37,670 --> 02:48:36,000
you're not even present in the

5006
02:48:39,349 --> 02:48:37,680
conversation i don't mean you i mean the

5007
02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:39,359
you know the hypothetical person we're

5008
02:48:43,830 --> 02:48:41,439
talking to i'm like bro you're either

5009
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:43,840
lost in the future or the past at every

5010
02:48:47,670 --> 02:48:45,600
moment either in fear of something that

5011
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:47,680
hasn't incur occurred or in regret of

5012
02:48:50,550 --> 02:48:49,200
something that happened before and

5013
02:48:52,469 --> 02:48:50,560
trying to figure out how not to go

5014
02:48:53,910 --> 02:48:52,479
through that pain again and try to avoid

5015
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:53,920
it you're just on the treadmill and

5016
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:55,680
going

5017
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:57,600
i'm not there anymore

5018
02:49:01,510 --> 02:48:59,279
you know and and it gives a different

5019
02:49:04,389 --> 02:49:01,520
perspective and it gives an idea of some

5020
02:49:06,150 --> 02:49:04,399
of the the larger ideas behind uap a

5021
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:06,160
completely different

5022
02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:08,479
different vantage point

5023
02:49:11,910 --> 02:49:10,800
and i i think one way to

5024
02:49:13,269 --> 02:49:11,920
i know we're getting near the end of our

5025
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:13,279
conversation but

5026
02:49:16,389 --> 02:49:14,800
we do

5027
02:49:18,150 --> 02:49:16,399
some people ask me i say this this

5028
02:49:19,670 --> 02:49:18,160
phrase what's that mean and i'm like it

5029
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:19,680
means what the two words mean we put

5030
02:49:24,550 --> 02:49:20,960
them together so

5031
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:24,560
figure it out but consensus reality

5032
02:49:29,910 --> 02:49:26,800
is the reality that we're all sharing

5033
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:29,920
our language our monetary systems our

5034
02:49:34,469 --> 02:49:32,399
our our decoration this the shapes of

5035
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:34,479
our houses and our cars those are all

5036
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:36,399
consensus reality we decided those

5037
02:49:39,110 --> 02:49:37,600
things look like that and we're going to

5038
02:49:40,309 --> 02:49:39,120
keep keep them looking like that and

5039
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:40,319
things are going to look like this we're

5040
02:49:43,830 --> 02:49:41,840
going to talk this way and we're going

5041
02:49:45,269 --> 02:49:43,840
to do these things that could be flipped

5042
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:45,279
upside down tomorrow and the human

5043
02:49:49,269 --> 02:49:47,279
animal would still survive it could all

5044
02:49:51,349 --> 02:49:49,279
be removed and the human animal would

5045
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:51,359
develop a new way of communicating and a

5046
02:49:55,030 --> 02:49:53,279
new consensus reality

5047
02:49:56,710 --> 02:49:55,040
and that consensus reality at some point

5048
02:49:57,750 --> 02:49:56,720
in our past was about animalistic

5049
02:49:59,190 --> 02:49:57,760
spirits

5050
02:50:00,790 --> 02:49:59,200
and and and

5051
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:00,800
our connection to nature and now it's

5052
02:50:05,750 --> 02:50:03,439
very techno-based and very very very

5053
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:05,760
self-aware and introspective

5054
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:08,399
everyone's a guru now everyone's a

5055
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:09,840
technological

5056
02:50:14,550 --> 02:50:12,800
uh uh you know a maniac they have all

5057
02:50:16,389 --> 02:50:14,560
the excuses that's a lousy word every

5058
02:50:18,309 --> 02:50:16,399
everyone is an engineer they have all of

5059
02:50:20,830 --> 02:50:18,319
these devices in their hands they can

5060
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:20,840
collect all of this data now everyone

5061
02:50:23,910 --> 02:50:22,479
meditates

5062
02:50:25,590 --> 02:50:23,920
a thousand the world a thousand years

5063
02:50:28,230 --> 02:50:25,600
ago would not recognize this now they

5064
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:28,240
would think we were all super people

5065
02:50:31,349 --> 02:50:30,240
and we all sit around still we're

5066
02:50:33,510 --> 02:50:31,359
laughing with each other because our

5067
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:33,520
kids can't balance a checkbook

5068
02:50:37,670 --> 02:50:34,479
and

5069
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:37,680
it's this is a large reality we we

5070
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,439
especially in this field we peel off

5071
02:50:43,110 --> 02:50:41,520
pieces of the of it that are way bigger

5072
02:50:44,630 --> 02:50:43,120
than we think they are

5073
02:50:46,710 --> 02:50:44,640
and we say i'm going to try to slap a

5074
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:46,720
binary answer on this right now right

5075
02:50:50,790 --> 02:50:47,680
here and then

5076
02:50:52,389 --> 02:50:50,800
we can go chill out it's not that easy

5077
02:50:53,910 --> 02:50:52,399
your life lasts as long as your life

5078
02:50:55,510 --> 02:50:53,920
does your journey lasts as long as your

5079
02:50:57,670 --> 02:50:55,520
journey doesn't that may not be the nuts

5080
02:50:59,030 --> 02:50:57,680
and bolts answers some people want but

5081
02:51:04,550 --> 02:50:59,040
if you don't know who the hell you are

5082
02:51:07,990 --> 02:51:05,910
thank you both for coming out and for

5083
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:08,000
spending so much time with me and the

5084
02:51:12,309 --> 02:51:09,439
three thousand

5085
02:51:14,309 --> 02:51:12,319
other people who are watching

5086
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:14,319
it's an honor man

5087
02:51:17,030 --> 02:51:15,840
i know we went all over the place and i

5088
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:17,040
love that we got

5089
02:51:19,750 --> 02:51:18,640
look you and when we talk beforehand i

5090
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:19,760
told you whatever it is we'll get

5091
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:20,880
through it

5092
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:22,399
and it's not that we were anticipating

5093
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:23,840
conflict but it was we knew that there

5094
02:51:27,030 --> 02:51:25,359
had been some you know there's been

5095
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:27,040
static in the past

5096
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:28,640
and we weren't going to let you down

5097
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:29,520
because we weren't going to give you

5098
02:51:32,230 --> 02:51:31,200
easy answers you know what i mean we

5099
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:32,240
were gonna we're gonna give you the real

5100
02:51:34,790 --> 02:51:33,600
folks that's what we talked about coming

5101
02:51:36,710 --> 02:51:34,800
out doing today letting our hair down

5102
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:36,720
being real so i appreciate you keep

5103
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:37,840
doing this

5104
02:51:42,550 --> 02:51:39,120
you know but we all have to learn from

5105
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:45,349
thanks man yeah kurt i i agree thank you

5106
02:51:49,110 --> 02:51:47,520
always honor and privilege uh to be here

5107
02:51:50,309 --> 02:51:49,120
thank you for humility thank you for

5108
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:50,319
your honesty

5109
02:51:54,150 --> 02:51:51,840
um you know

5110
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:54,160
we we we all we all

5111
02:51:58,950 --> 02:51:56,160
suffer privately sometimes with with

5112
02:52:00,630 --> 02:51:58,960
these demons and it's called it's called

5113
02:52:03,429 --> 02:52:00,640
uh

5114
02:52:05,750 --> 02:52:03,439
it's called humanity man we this is what

5115
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:05,760
this is the situation we're in

5116
02:52:08,230 --> 02:52:06,720
um

5117
02:52:09,429 --> 02:52:08,240
let's just recognize and try to help

5118
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:09,439
each other out of the ditch right

5119
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:11,520
whenever one of us falls into the ditch

5120
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:13,200
don't throw stones try to help the

5121
02:52:17,030 --> 02:52:15,279
person out come on out here let me give

5122
02:52:18,070 --> 02:52:17,040
you a helping hand you know

5123
02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:18,080
um

5124
02:52:21,670 --> 02:52:19,600
and i think that's that's part of the

5125
02:52:23,110 --> 02:52:21,680
lesson of the journey and you know i

5126
02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:23,120
know you probably want to spend the last

5127
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:25,520
hour talking about ufos but

5128
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:27,600
in reality you know time has probably

5129
02:52:30,790 --> 02:52:28,720
come for us to have an honest

5130
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:30,800
conversation about ourselves

5131
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:32,319
you know in order to continue that

5132
02:52:37,269 --> 02:52:35,760
conversation about about ufos and and i

5133
02:52:38,469 --> 02:52:37,279
i want to applaud you for doing this i'm

5134
02:52:39,990 --> 02:52:38,479
not sure we've really had a chance to

5135
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:40,000
ever do this before

5136
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:42,800
um on any type of podcast and i want to

5137
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:44,720
thank your audience for those out there

5138
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:46,319
that are that are truly interested and

5139
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:47,680
have been patient

5140
02:52:51,190 --> 02:52:49,920
with us thank you so much thank you for

5141
02:52:53,750 --> 02:52:51,200
letting us kind of

5142
02:52:57,030 --> 02:52:53,760
go off on a bit of a tangent if you will

5143
02:52:58,790 --> 02:52:57,040
uh or a detour um but i think it's

5144
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:58,800
helpful for the conversation so we all

5145
02:53:02,550 --> 02:53:00,080
understand where we're coming from we

5146
02:53:04,870 --> 02:53:02,560
all unders understand each other uh a

5147
02:53:06,790 --> 02:53:04,880
little bit better and uh and then maybe

5148
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:06,800
we get better at sharing ideas you know

5149
02:53:11,910 --> 02:53:08,960
with each other instead of um you know

5150
02:53:15,110 --> 02:53:13,590
okay i'll speak for another couple

5151
02:53:18,389 --> 02:53:15,120
minutes and answer any audience

5152
02:53:23,910 --> 02:53:21,910
um i see todd trollbridge you had a

5153
02:53:25,349 --> 02:53:23,920
comment which said thanks kurt lou and

5154
02:53:26,710 --> 02:53:25,359
sean appreciate your time and effort

5155
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:26,720
despite the challenges of having a

5156
02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:28,240
rational grounded conversation of this

5157
02:53:31,190 --> 02:53:29,760
subject area

5158
02:53:33,510 --> 02:53:31,200
i will make sure

5159
02:53:36,870 --> 02:53:33,520
that they see that

5160
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,880
beer bottle gate that's hilarious

5161
02:53:41,990 --> 02:53:39,680
that's said by machiavelli too

5162
02:53:44,070 --> 02:53:42,000
dirty teaspoon wants to know if i can

5163
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:44,080
invite richard dolan i have and here you

5164
02:53:48,710 --> 02:53:45,840
go

5165
02:53:50,710 --> 02:53:48,720
that's the url

5166
02:53:52,630 --> 02:53:50,720
joshua wants to know kurt do you feel

5167
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:52,640
your foray into this topic has been a

5168
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:55,520
net positive word negative i think

5169
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:57,760
on the surface it's been a net negative

5170
02:54:03,670 --> 02:53:59,840
maybe it's been a net positive or will

5171
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:07,750
i hope that is a net positive for others

5172
02:54:12,950 --> 02:54:10,080
part of me taking a while before coming

5173
02:54:14,870 --> 02:54:12,960
back to this topic was me assessing that

5174
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:14,880
but it's i'm not saying it's altruistic

5175
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:16,399
it's mainly selfish i was assessing it

5176
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:18,399
for myself

5177
02:54:22,070 --> 02:54:20,399
so capsta

5178
02:54:23,990 --> 02:54:22,080
asks kurt what did you learn from this

5179
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:24,000
interview that they didn't already talk

5180
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:25,200
about

5181
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:26,000
well

5182
02:54:31,269 --> 02:54:28,880
generally i find that

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most of the time watching anything on

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ufos

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with what's new although that's a bit

5186
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false because i'm so fresh i'm green in

5187
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this subject that there's bound to be

5188
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one two three pieces that are foreign to

5189
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me at the time

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but much of the

5191
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learning at least for myself doesn't

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come from what happened in the moment

5193
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:52,880
but rather me thinking about the content

5194
02:54:55,990 --> 02:54:54,479
weeks later and then also conversing

5195
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:56,000
with others much like a movie when i

5196
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:57,760
watch a movie

5197
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:59,359
it's a strange question to ask what did

5198
02:55:03,030 --> 02:55:01,279
i learn from the movie much of it comes

5199
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:03,040
from weeks later and hearing what other

5200
02:55:06,550 --> 02:55:04,560
people think

5201
02:55:08,710 --> 02:55:06,560
and then also conversing with others and

5202
02:55:10,309 --> 02:55:08,720
mulling over my own thoughts

5203
02:55:11,990 --> 02:55:10,319
so it's not clear to me what is the

5204
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:12,000
content is the content here or is the

5205
02:55:15,670 --> 02:55:13,439
content what occurs over the course of

5206
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:15,680
days and months later someone wants to

5207
02:55:18,710 --> 02:55:17,680
know is gary nolan coming onto the show

5208
02:55:20,950 --> 02:55:18,720
yes

5209
02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:20,960
in early april i haven't announced the

5210
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:22,560
specific date yet

5211
02:55:27,110 --> 02:55:25,359
pious interview will be march 27th

5212
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,120
someone wants to know when am i getting

5213
02:55:30,870 --> 02:55:29,439
stephen greer on i've asked him or his

5214
02:55:33,510 --> 02:55:30,880
people

5215
02:55:35,830 --> 02:55:33,520
each month for the past six months or so

5216
02:55:37,750 --> 02:55:35,840
and they've said no each time

5217
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:37,760
maybe even longer than six months justin

5218
02:55:41,429 --> 02:55:39,359
forder says thanks kurt look after

5219
02:55:43,030 --> 02:55:41,439
yourself thank you i'm trying

5220
02:55:45,110 --> 02:55:43,040
yes i'm trying

5221
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:45,120
also now may be a great time to let you

5222
02:55:48,790 --> 02:55:47,200
know that there's a link to the patreon

5223
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:48,800
in the description if you'd like to

5224
02:55:53,269 --> 02:55:51,359
support this podcast as the patrons and

5225
02:55:55,429 --> 02:55:53,279
the sponsors are the only reasons that

5226
02:55:58,150 --> 02:55:55,439
i'm able to do this full-time i rely

5227
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:58,160
pretty much exclusively on their support

5228
02:56:01,910 --> 02:55:59,760
and only do so if you feel like you have

5229
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:01,920
the means there's no obligation at all

5230
02:56:06,309 --> 02:56:03,760
currently there's no special incentive

5231
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:06,319
for being a patron such as a mug or some

5232
02:56:10,309 --> 02:56:08,800
ad-free experience nothing like that and

5233
02:56:12,150 --> 02:56:10,319
this is the way i'd like to keep it so

5234
02:56:13,590 --> 02:56:12,160
that you're not being persuaded to join

5235
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:13,600
for any reason other than simply

5236
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:15,760
supporting the podcast and also by the

5237
02:56:18,469 --> 02:56:17,200
way the comments that i mentioned about

5238
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:18,479
people saying you are responsible for

5239
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:20,160
so-and-so that happens from like five

5240
02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:21,920
people out of tens of thousands of

5241
02:56:27,429 --> 02:56:23,920
people it's just that there's this

5242
02:56:29,190 --> 02:56:27,439
negativity bias where i like i'm a i'm a

5243
02:56:31,670 --> 02:56:29,200
member of the human i'm a member of

5244
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:31,680
humans and humans have this

5245
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:33,439
there's this negativity bias where one

5246
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:36,640
focuses overly on the anxiety provoking

5247
02:56:40,790 --> 02:56:38,640
okay well

5248
02:56:43,830 --> 02:56:40,800
thank you all i appreciate it

5249
02:56:47,510 --> 02:56:45,830
the podcast is now finished if you'd

5250
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:47,520
like to support conversations like this

5251
02:56:54,790 --> 02:56:50,720
then do consider going to patreon.com

5252
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:54,800
c-u-r-t j-a-i-m-u-n

5253
02:56:59,269 --> 02:56:57,439
that is kurt jaimungle it's support from

5254
02:57:01,110 --> 02:56:59,279
the patrons and from the sponsors that